Due to the recent ban of a wolfballs.com-user for “Bigotry and racism on his main account on Wolfball.” it is requested that Lemmy.ml updates the Code of Conduct to reflect actual moderation. Please consider adding that Lemmy.ml will ban users for comments made with other accounts on other instances.

  • @nutomic@lemmy.mlM
    -6•2 years ago

    You are proposing to change lemmy.ml rules so that users can be banned for activity on other sites. Your only argument for this rule change seems to be the claim that wolfballs.com is fascist. You havent shown any evidence to support this claim, and its far from obvious when browsing the site. So I dont see any justification for such a rule change.

    • Seanchaí (she/her)
      16•2 years ago

      You keep ignoring that he is on here every time someone is about to get banned for bigotry offering a safe space on wolfballs. You let the comment section of your Leftist website be a recruiting grounds for racists and homophobes. And you keep saying “can’t police his activity on another site,” but like…how is posting links and promoting a bigoted website not a violation of lemmy.ml’s rules?

      • @nutomic@lemmy.mlM
        -10•2 years ago

        So now you say that Masterofballs should be banned because of things that other people say on his instance, and because of posting memes?

        • Seanchaí (she/her)
          15•2 years ago

          How can you possibly look at that site and argue that you don’t “see fascism.” And if you’d like, I can show you all the horrible shit masterofballs personally posts.

          You don’t think wolfballs is fascist. You don’t just ban bigots outright, you in fact recommend to them a website where they can get their views affirmed and radicalize farther.

          Earlier on you said “leftist” is too vague but you don’t know how else to describe lemmy, but this behaviour makes it abundantly clear that you should describe it as liberal.

          • @nutomic@lemmy.mlM
            -13•2 years ago

            Maybe we have a different view what fascism means. For me fascism is calling for physical violence, like murder or genocide. Not posting memes on the internet.

            • Seanchaí (she/her)
              16•2 years ago

              dehumanizing memes that help radicalize people into being more comfortable with eliminating a group of people is literally the entire point of fascist propaganda are you serious?

              edit: “I see fascism as actually killing the Jews, that’s entirely unrelated to all of these Jewish caricatures that my buddies have been passing around the Weimar Republic.”

              • @nutomic@lemmy.mlM
                -10•2 years ago

                Im really losing track what you are arguing here. If you want to change the site rules of lemmy.ml, you should specifically suggest what the new rule(s) should be, and explain how that would improve the instance. Otherwise there is no point in continuing this discussion.

                But to be honest, you are not even registered on this instance, so I dont think you should have any right to influence the rules here.

                • Seanchaí (she/her)
                  18•2 years ago

                  “Communities mirror the societies in which they exist and positive action is essential to counteract the many forms of inequality and abuses of power that exist in society.”

                  "4. Unacceptable Behavior The following behaviors are considered harassment and are unacceptable within our community:

                  Violence, threats of violence or violent language directed against another person. Sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist or otherwise discriminatory jokes and language. Posting or displaying sexually explicit or violent material. Posting or threatening to post other people’s personally identifying information (“doxing”). Personal insults, particularly those related to gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, or disability."

                  "9. Scope We expect all community participants (contributors, paid or otherwise; sponsors; and other guests) to abide by this Code of Conduct in all community venues–online and in-person–as well as in all one-on-one communications pertaining to community business.

                  This code of conduct and its related procedures also applies to unacceptable behavior occurring outside the scope of community activities when such behavior has the potential to adversely affect the safety and well-being of community members."

                  https://github.com/stumpsyn/policies/blob/master/citizen_code_of_conduct.md

                  As per the Citizen Code of Conduct linked to in Lemmy.ml’s Code of Conduct, maintaining and promoting a bigoted website is a violation, and the scope of the code of conduct extends to unacceptable behaviour occurring outside the scope of community activities

                  I’m not trying to influence you to change any rules, I’m saying you are not enforcing the rules that currently are in place.

                • @TheConquestOfBed@lemmy.ml
                  16•2 years ago

                  If you promote racist content you get banned, end of story. I literally pointed out a meme that’s racist against black people and latinos. I literally pointed to a thread where they’re disappointed reddit won’t let them call me and people like me a “groomer”. Do you not think the rhetoric will get worse if you let it spread?

                  Do you think I’m a groomer @nutomic@lemmy.ml ? Do you think that I want to sit at the same table as a guy who advertises that he thinks I’m a smoothbrain? I’ve done this song and dance before. If you let wolfballs stay you will invite ruin on this place and you will have no one to blame but yourself. This isn’t about fairness. It’s about survival.

                  I respected you as a dev, but this is where I draw the line, when you see some stupid ideal as more important than my humanity.

            • comfy
              3•2 years ago

              I don’t think fascism can be described as those behaviors, it’s an ideology.

              Those two behaviors you described aren’t in isolation. Can’t a meme be fascist propaganda? Can’t a meme attempt to dehumanize or justify violence without calling for it? Is fascism only dangerous when it reaches the point of open violence?

              I don’t agree with the line of reasoning that ‘wolfballs is fascist’, I think that’s ignorant of what fascism is and why non-fascism can also be horrible, but I don’t think the ‘it’s just memes’ argument is helpful.