I am fine with the place settling for a bit. It would suck if this place was as big as other sites are overnight. I want to watch this place grow over time
Natural, healthy, positive growth! Not growth for growths sake
Yes! Enough of the “I’m doing my part meme” that isn’t even real content.
It is!
Would you like to know more?
I’m doing my part
And I’m doing my part.
It’s not but it drives the discussion. I feel that at this point, some participation is better than no participation at all
I disagree completely, but thanks for your take.
You’re welcome
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This man needs more upvotes!
Natural, healthy, positive upvotes! No upvotes for upvotes sake
Exactly. No one likes an steroids user. Natural growth is always the way!
Yeah, my main problem so far has been finding communities actually worth following/joining/contributing to.
If suddenly tons of average people join, they won’t really find communities, they’ll deem that their analysis of Lemmy, and leave with tiny chances of a second chance. It’ll just boom and bust in it’s current state. Most people aren’t interested in starting or growing a small community.
Meanwhile, if we stay at this size for a while, communities may form/grow, and as people trickle in, they’ll grow bit by bit.
This looks great thank you, going to have a deep dive.
Excellent!
Yea and a lot of that may be bot accounts that are getting banned/being shut off.
Yes. I do not want another Reddit.
never go full reddit
I, for one, am not going anywhere. ✊🏻
I’m interested in seeing how well these great open source apps for Lemmy scale as the user base and post/comment data grows.
The apps are already amazing and will not suffer issues of scale themselves because they run on users’ devices. The scaling issues will be in Lemmy server code and ActivityPub in general.
ActivityPub doesn’t seem very scalable IMHO. It works well if all instances are about the same size and communities are well-distributed. Right now a few servers like lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and lemmy.ml are much larger than others. They host most of the popular communities as well. This creates an imbalance which ActivityPub doesn’t handle well.
I think Lemmy instances should be topic based. But that’d be confusing for people coming from centralized social media who are only trying to find a reliable starting place. So I really hope we reach a point of maturity and mainstream-ness of Fediverse that people feel comfortable with smaller theme-based instances.
My main gripe with ActivityPub is that the infrastructure basically replicates 1-to-1 across subscribed instances. It means that as lemmy grows, servers will require more and more storage to keep up. For now, it’s fine since we’re under a few TB of content on the platform.
If lemmy were to be as popular as reddit, we’d reach the dozens if not hundreds of TB of storage required. Not everyone has the money to build such a homelab or rent data center servers of that caliber.
ActivityPub in it’s current state is nothing but replicated centralization, not a full decentralized protocol. We’d probably need a different database system that handles cross region clustering and sharing to scale it up.
If you don’t mirror everything locally, you can lose data when other instances go down. Decentralization just has high data costs, take a look at git or bitcoin. I just hope ActivityPup learned something from Diaspora, where small instances couldn’t handle the amount traffic comming from big instances.
My point was that there is no need to replicate everything everywhere. If the data is replicated a cross 5 instances per region for instance, it’s enough for replication needs. If you self host lemmy and subscribes to large communities on your instance, you can quickly overload your server. We need activity pub to be more lightweight if we want smaller instances to thrive.
As long as we have the population to stabilize the big communities and slowly fill out the niche ones as reddit drives ever downward. I think we will be ok.
I hope that the lemmy devs take this time to look at how they’re distributing users. We need a better browser for people to find what instances to join. The next Reddit exodus is going to be massive and .ml and .world aren’t ready for it.
The brain-drain has already happened on reddit and it’s only a matter of time before the good content and 3rd party development explodes here on Lemmy.
Commenting so I have commented in July.
Nice July comment. Here’s my July comment.
First post please ignore
Test post, please ignore.
Roger that
July comments incoming
July
july
July
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July
You can call me your July reply guy
I am also july
Ohai
me too
Christmas in July, happy Christmas.
I see what you did there
Another July comment
Hi
Same
same, may as well make my first comment here
Same here
Me too, thanks.
Roger, dude.
Is that how it works? I can’t remember if I’ve commented lately.
July?
No, I think he’s telling the truth
Buy the dip!!!
I’m a woman and child
Skill issue
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I am also a woman and a child.
Goo goo ga ga this stroller isn’t going to push itself
I’m just a woman in love
I’m Brian and so’s my wife
My favorite kind
Sorry I was busy this weekend.
You are not allowed to be busy, you need to shit post nonstop.
So Long And Thanks For All The Fish 🐟
Yall got fish? All I got was beans.
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BBBBEEEEAAAANNNNSSSSSWENEEDMOREBEEAANNSS
Beans? I only got old memes
🐬 SO SAD THAT IT HAS COME TO THIS 🐬
🐬 WE TRIED TO WARN YOU ALL BUT OH DEAR 🐬
That is probably my fault, I’m cursed and the moment I ever join any organization or community, something invariably always happens.
You should join as many terrorist organisations as you can
Bruh…did you just tell me to become a terrorist?
Why does this always happen to me too? Is this some sort of psychological phenomenon?
Because we are singularities growing in size.
Please join both political parties.
There are more than two political parties, ill fuck em all up!
Meanwhile, Threads is stronger than ever. Try Threads today!
Here I was thinking we didn’t need awards and the like, but minds change
I think awards would be fun. They wouldn’t have to cost anything either
Might be fun if everyone got like 1 gold every couple weeks to give out. That way they’d still sorta be meaningful
Or for example, you get a special award for 100 comments to give away.
I love this idea, this would drive up engagement from power users!
It would also drive up meaningless and irrelevant comments.
This
Concur. I would tie “awards awardable” to participation. 1 award per 10 posts or 100 comments. Given the federated nature of Lemmy it would probably have to be tabulated per instance, but that’s okay since that would tie awards awardable to the communities in which one most often participates.
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my engineer brain immediately went to how crazy the desync would be lmao (upvotes, comments, and subscriber count already out of sync sometimes)
I would tie “awards awardable” to participation. 1 award per 10 posts or 100 comments. Given the federated nature of Lemmy it would probably have to be tabulated per instance, but that’s okay since that would tie awards awardable to the communities in which one most often participates.
lol
Ah well…
Se you guys on…
on…
uhh, Lemmy?
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Well, I deleted my account, so there is no going back to reddit. Also discussions here seem better for me for some reason.
Less people = less assholes
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less shit = need fiber
need fiber = something no vegan has ever said
Proportionally, there’s still as many.
*fewer
R.I.P Lemmy, probably my fault 😢
Chill man. Even my activity is dropping now, but that’s just me thinking that Lemmy will be self-sufficient while I read my books. It’s true that Lemmy is not as addicting as reddit, but that’s for the best. I’ve actually gotten into new hobbies whose communities I might eventually join here.
Don’t worry, I’m here to stay _
Oh great, you’re here.
You know this Turtle?
Everyone knows the turtle, and now you do too.
Can I know the turtle too?
Bruhhh I thought you were someone else. Welcome aboard
Bot purge or server issues?
There was a post the other day about other lemmy servers that had thousands of inactive users. The OP contacted the admins of those servers to let them know and several admins did purge a load of accounts.
I believe this is the correct and uncontroversial explanation.
Well I would like an incorrect and controversial explanation please and thank you
People begin to realise that Lemmy is the bottom of the barrel. Constant server outages, low quality content and a community that is growing ever more toxic.
There. You wanted incorrect and controversial.
It was the fuckin beans
I blieve you are correct. All my alts are gone
People were pushing for everyone to comment at least once a day so all the lurkers were counted as active users. It’s a little bit of
The Pot Roast Principleat this point.Edit Ok, so don’t just pick the first link off Google folks. That got weird fast. Have this Less insane version instead.
man what the hell is that article on? It starts off explaining the pot roast principle which ok that makes sense (it’s that we often do things not because of logic but simply we were taught to do so by our parents), but then it says that a message to take away from the story is that “persistence is a virtue” which I mean I guess but you’re kinda missing the point? But then in the very next sentence where it says “sometimes things we take as fact are just superstition” it goes “and we should consider prayer as a healthcare alternative” and compares listening to only medical science as like cutting the ends off a pot roast. Not like “superstitions hang around for a reason though and there’s perhaps some minor psychological value in these harmless cultural things” or “people who strongly believe in something tend to report more positively in negative times” or even god forbid “have you considered that prayer is like cutting pot roast ends?”, straight up “have you tried asking God for help? When was the last time you did that huh? Why are you treating God like a teabag that’s pretty ungrateful you dick”
I’m guessing you probably didn’t mean for that to be the message (this article is weirdly the first to pop up when you google the term) but uh, maybe you should vet your articles? Unless you’re really trying to say we should try praying for lemmy to succeed
To be honest I picked the first result on Google, half-heartedly scanned it to make sure it actually told the story about the roast and went “good enough”
I just went back to reread it and I’m kind of horrified now. Going to have to edit in a less insane link.
I read once about an experiment where they put let’s say ten monkeys in a room, with a ladder in the middle, leading up to a bunch of grapes or bananas or whatever. Whenever a monkey approached the ladder to try and climb it though the researching would blast 'em with water. They all eventually learned that climbing the ladder leads to water cannon. They replaced one of the monkeys with a new one, and the other nine monkeys quickly taught it not to climb the ladder. This continued until all ten of the original monkeys were replaced, and eventually the water cannon had passed out of memory, and only remained in the lore they taught each other and the new monkeys, even though nobody had actually been sprayed for several “generations” if you will.
I think about that a lot whenever people say they aren’t allowed do something, especially because of religion.
Last time I saw it, someone said it was fake. Here’s a source I found for that: some guy made it up for his self-help book
I’ll be darned, thanks for the correction. Now that you mention it that definitely sounds like the kind of story a self help guru would tell.
Not gonna lie I lost it when the article asks, “Are your prayers like tea bags? Do you only use them when you’re in hot water??”
Most people just call that “cargo cult” where they don’t know why they do something, they just do the ritual without questioning it. Also it probably won’t lead to people looking up stuff related to putting a roast on a spit 😉
Thanks for the link, cool concept.
- daily comment contributing to the roastbeef end cutting
Right? I want quality, not quantity.
I was busy for a few days where are the trend discussions being held?
This is a pretty standard curve for a recently discovered thing. Everyone is curious what it is, tries it out then a percentage decides it isn’t for them and goes elsewhere.
I had to be pretty stubborn to get into Lemmy, never received the verification email (likely due to sudden server load) and no way to retrigger it, so had to wait until the new version came out. Apparently that removed the login block. Not to mention the filter on my account defaulting to showing no posts (needed to set language filter to include undetermined and my language), so it was kind of a rough entry.
But this number isn’t total accounts, it’s active accounts. So that means people who have logged in at least once during the last month. The accounts still exist from when people came to check it out, but if they decided it wasn’t for them or ran into issues like I did and didn’t return then they’d fall off the active user list.
New products face this curve all the time. Steady growth, discovery spike then retained user drop back to steady, hopefully accelerated, growth with a higher baseline than before.
I am also under the impression that active only counts users who commented or posted. So there is also a very significant possibility that people are just settling in and starting to lurk. It’s really the 90-9-1 principle (in a stable community, 90% lurk, 9% are occasionally active, 1% are consistently active). It would really be weirder if we didn’t see some lurkers after such a massive influx of people
Maybe it should also count users that vote?