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This kinda thing can’t be reduced to a single number, how do you compare the US, where trans people often can’t afford HRT in the best states, and are literally unable to get it in Florida, to Iran, where it’s free, but surgery is mandatory and being gay is punishable by death?
A place where hatecrimes aren’t uncommon, but there is some level of legal protection, to a place with far fewer hatecrimes/discrimination, but no special legal protections?
Very few subjects can be represented by one graph and still give you the whole story. You could say this about almost anything posted here. I think it’s useful and interesting enough to be here.
I agree that countries ara hard to compare “in bulk” but I think that naming the chart with the wording “legal equality” hints at acknowledging that it’s representing a very concrete dimension of equality in general.
Iran should probably be a lighter shade than Saudi, then. They’re on a similar level for gay people, but actually ahead of the US on trans people.
… Iran, where it’s free, but surgery is mandatory and being gay is punishable by death?
It’s free because it’s the “sentence” for being gay. Get an operation or be executed.
I’m not quite sure how punitive it is. Basically they fully acknowledge trans people, but not homosexuality, so everyone gets pushed into the trans category.
Yes, the point is a binary trans Iranian who wants surgery is less oppressed in Iran on the axis of being trans than in America, but they’re quite obviously worse for someone in nearly any other position.
Those are some real heavy blinders you’ve got on.
Edit: More specifically, on this issue, the Iranian state is about forcing all people into rigid biological, sexual, and gender roles. The fact that that accidentally fails to oppress a sliver of people whose personal goals happen to align with the oppressive position of the state doesn’t make that “less oppressive.”
That one specific group experiences oppression due to being trans in America they don’t experience in Iran.
Great points! My first thought was, bullshit on comparing the entire planet.
In any case, gays got it far better in America than they did 30-years ago. Shit takes time.
Yeah, but also you can see some countries scoring lower due to trans rights where queer couples have equivalent rights to het. No “map” is going to take all the nuance. But your point is valid. Reducing to a number obscures things and it’s worth little in terms of reliable, actionable info.
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I was confused by Greece for a second as I put it in a religious conservative corner without thinking. But then I remembered Greek history.
You have to skip over 1500 years or so, though. It’s still surprising.
Traditions do not have to be based on logic it seems
I’m not sure what you mean by this. Presumably, being from lemmynsfw it isn’t some kind of swipe at those dirty, deviant gays.
No, I welcome everyone who’s nice 💖
I forgot what I wanted to say anyways
Isn’t China on the decline more?
Yes, but decline takes time.
Apparently it’s more progressive than South Korea (though far less so than Taiwan).
Idk why but SK is very problematic regarding civil rights in general from a Democratic point of measurement. Japan is considered petty conservative but they are progressive compared to SK.
I however doubt that China is better than SK as they outright ban LGBT characters in media and even mentioning trans people is a problem.
The South Korean government has to balance a lot of interests: The powerful Kleptocracy (Samsung etc.), the military, domestic nationalism (and the people), the US, and all while constantly animositing with their neighbor to the north. I got that from a Chinese political-cartoonist pundit who later got cancelled for good reason though, so take that with a grain of sulphates.
In China, LGBT+ stuff is mostly just censored in state-aired mass media. Anything else, like the most popular manga on the most popular platforms, semifrequently include such stuff, to the point where there are dedicated genre names for at least both. Admittedly, those genre names are borrowed from Japan, but Chinese internet and youth culture in general is fused with East Asian culture (ACG), which was popularized by Japan. That also brings up the question on whether the culture is also fused in Korea. Now, I have no experience with actual South Korean culture, but my anecdotal impression is that the Koreans I meet are less receptive to ACG. From what I can see from a quick skim-through of the relevant Wikipedia article, the LGBT+ are legally more recognized but culturally more persecuted in South Korea.
You can easily search for such genres and obtain such works online (piracy is quite rampant in China). However, many teachers often still ban them in schools like the US deep south due to personal bigortry (but they also ban cards in school soooo). Those teachers are a microcosm of the government’s current direction, which has already closed down LGBT+ establishments and started instituting the aforementioned censorship years ago.
I was reading a very obscure manga that had day characters and the author was forced by the Chinese government to stop it or remove the gays characters, he stopped writing the manga because he became demotivated
Huh, this is the first I’m hearing about this. Any recent examples?
this is kinda weird because i watch gay shows from china all the time
China or Taiwan?
Ah they get the freedom to intrude western media and spread subtile “China good” propaganda, inside China they get censored.
(I kinda like some of the mangas as well, so no offenes)
Wow, South America, I did not see that coming. I mean, I knew about Brazil a bit, but I assumed it was a Thailand situation where the law and the practice were two different things.
Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia are red.
Scandinavia is only mid blue? Why?
The source for this data is Equaldex. According to their data on Sweden, for example, the following things are rated negatively:
- non-binary genders aren‘t legally recognized
- intersex infant surgery is not banned
- donating blood is not always possible for homosexual men
- conversion therapy is not banned
They might also take their public opinion section into account for the country‘s overall score, but I haven‘t looked into that more thoroughly.
Yup. Changing gender also requires sterilization in Norway. It’s fucked.
Isn’t that just the byproduct of bottom surgery?
No. It’s common not to get surgery.
Changing gender requires sterilization even if you don’t get surgery? What’s the logic there?
To get estrogen/change state registered gender. Latent hate from an older generation of senior medical people. It was explqined to me over a year ago so i can’t remember specific details.
More colors does not a better scale make. Just do red – white – green.
thailand legalized gay marriage a few months ago, this map is surprisingly out of date
