can only get 25 hours a week because obongocare
No you can only get 25 hours a week because your shitty bosses are screwing you over to avoid helping you be insured so that they can save money.
Also this is nothing new, this was why you saw people only able to work 30 or 35 hours a week before Obamacare was passed, because our cheap ass employers were trying to avoid paying you all of the benefits befitting full time, 40 hours a week, employees, which again, includes insurance. These people will do anything to find a new way to exploit their workers.
PS: Fuck the health insurance industry and being tied to a job for our health insurance, give us universal healthcare now!
Yep. OP sounds like they’re upset they have to live in the world reactionaries and neoliberals built and their solution is to vote even harder for reactionary neoliberals.
You can help by not calling it that. That was bullshit (successful) propaganda to help crash the program (the Affordable Care Act) into the ground.
Fuck that. The ACA was arguably the best thing to happen in Obama’s tenure, even after it was completely sabotaged by the GOP. It’s probably what he’ll be remembered for (other than his skin color). And liberals have taken the name back, just like Dark Brandon.
The ACA is trash, though.
ACA is not good enough. But it was as far as we could get the right to move. I feel similarly about it as I do the 3/5 compromise. It’s stupid and clearly not good enough, but sometimes you have to take any step to get the rest of the country moving in the right direction at all.
If you consider the democrats the right then I agree
Well of course it’s trash as it was a conservative program that Obama then introduced as that was the only version of healthcare that could pass. Any non-trash programs would always be torpedoed by the ultra right, as they like their voters poor and dying for some reason.
Public option was torpedoed by democrats
What about it is trash?
If we must tolerate healthcare being tied to work, the least we could do is require employers to pay part of healthcare for all workers based on the fraction of full time they work. 10hrs/30? You get 33% of a full time worker’s healthcare benefit. Either as cash or with you covering part of the cost. Work multiple jobs that total 30 hrs? Pick your favorite employer plan and your other employers pay towards it.
But yeah, universal is long overdue, and this would be one of the worst tolerable ways to impelment improvement
i bet they would convert all staff to independent contractors
Are you saying that you don’t get the full insurance as long as you don’t work 40h/w? Damn that sounds horrible. What about the people that need to take care of someone and can not work that much?
If someone can’t work that much they get to suffer and die.
As you can see: we’re chock full of freedom over here.
They suffer in poverty, typically
Fuck them -voting americans apparently
They literally don’t have a choice. No decent candidate has made it through the primaries in decades. In the GE voters can only choose between two Monstrous Goons whose job is to help corporations to dominate and exploit the citizens.
Try to get on Medicare/Medicaid and pray that they’ll cover what you need them to, ration your medications, and if all else fails, simply die and leave your debt to your family.
Also even if you work full time, insurance benefits usually don’t kick in for a couple months. So try to not get sick or hurt in that time.
That line in the OP made me wonder if even despite it all, they are voting for the likes of little d. You know, because something something Brandon and the Kenyan Usurper.
They can get by on working 25 hours a week and they’re complaining?
And imagine blaming it on the government instead of the shitty business practices (that was put in that place by the businesses).
I bet this guy will gladly vote for an R every election. Idiot doesn’t even realize that he wouldn’t even have insurance if it weren’t for obongo care.
This guy wouldn’t have insurance, or he’d have to get it on the marketplace. He’d qualify for some subsidies but it wouldn’t be free. If you’re part time you usually don’t get insurance, and Obamacare means tests who gets subsidies for insurance.
This is it. To be super clear, the guy is complaining that he only gets 25 hours a week because of ACA- this implies that his employer would have to offer insurance if they gave him more hours.
Yeah doesn’t the aca require insurance companies to cover people under 26 on their parents policies? Also I remember only getting limited hours for the same reason back in the 80’s long before anybody heard of Obama
Something like that yes. I don’t remember the number but one of the features of that program was a lower threshold where businesses need to start kicking in benefits. Previously the threshold was 30 hours so people weren’t allowed to work 30 else the company needed to provide healthcare. ACA attempted to catch more workers, but shitty businesses just cut hours
Businesses will do what they’re allowed to. The government sets the rules.
You must be new to América
Just because you can get by on 25hrs a week doesn’t mean you want to. Anon probably doesn’t want to be trapped in small-town nowhere. Anon probably doesn’t want to risk bankruptcy every time he has a sniffle. Anon is scraping by, of course he’s going to complain about 25hrs a week. His workplace is trying to avoid offering healthcare so they only schedule him for 25hrs a week, cheating him out of health insurance (aca requires 30hrs before you’re considered full-time). But he doesn’t have the money to move to another town to try and find a better job; and god forbid he tries to move to an actual city because at $100 left at the end of the month, there’s no way he’d ever get an apartment.
That’s not to say that we should have to work more than 25hrs a week, but anon’s complaints are completely reasonable. Anon is trapped.
Yeah that’s shitty, but he has abundant free time to go make more money elsewhere if he wants. I don’t know anyone who can meet their basic needs on 25 hrs/wk without some sort of high-skill career experience or extenuating circumstances like nepotism, etc. I don’t think that qualifies as trapped
It’s not easy to get a second job when you already have a job. Scheduling conflicts happen all the time and both jobs will assume they have a monopoly on your time. Getting 25 hours at a place you want to have 40 and being unable to find a second job is pretty common. Not to mention you don’t get health insurance at either place.
Just because something’s a part-time job doesn’t mean it it’s a part-time commitment. At one point I worked as a projectionist part-time, and let me tell you, I didn’t have time for a second job despite working less than 20hrs a week average (it depended on the time of year, November/December I’d typically average over 20hrs, January was usually bare minimum required to keep things running).
The schedule was chaotic due to special/private events, new movies sometimes opening a day early, advanced screenings, employee meetings (I had to be there even though they typically weren’t relevant to me so someone could work the projector), etc. I wasn’t on-call, I wasn’t working full-time, but the only thing I could count on was that I was typically working Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, not including special/private events that happened on other days (including weekends).
My hours on Wednesday/Thursday/Friday changed depending on what was happening the following week as well. Most of the time it was evening Wednesday and Thursday, then mornings on Friday for weekly maintenance. However, sometimes I’d work Wednesday morning, Thursday afternoon, Friday morning or some other combination of whacky hours. Sometimes I’d work 10hrs in a single shift (those were horrible, imagine having to sit around and pretend to be busy for 10hrs despite only having a minor task every hour or two), sometimes I’d only work 2hrs. The result was that the job was a full-time commitment despite technically being a part-time position.
Edit because I accidentally hit post before I was done: the fact that anon mentions that he’s only being scheduled 25hrs due to ACA requirements (full-time employment under the ACA is 30hrs+) suggests that his employer may be expecting a full-time commitment while exploiting the part-time technicality to avoid having to pay for employee healthcare.
Yes, this. During university, I’d try to work odd jobs during school year. Coordinating that was “fun”, and these were uncomplicated jobs. At one point over the summer, I was trying to juggle three rather menial jobs. Luckily, one was fairly flexible, but the other two just assumed they could set you up with less than 12 hours notice for a schedule, and would threaten firing if you could not make it. Still later, I had a work-study job that paid very low (for the university) and I still had to juggle something else, since that was only about 4 hours per day. I have nearly always worked 40+ hours since in IT, but I remember those early days well. It’s no picnic to have more than 1 job and trying to live anything like what would be considered a normal human life. And that’s when I still had the cushion, part of the time, of living with my parents, or having some of their help with campus housing. I cannot imagine trying to do the same while juggling children, their school, their homework, and getting them to school/activities as well as spending any meaningful time with my wife…
You’re a cunt. 😀
Uh… time to use all that free time to find a new job with more hours. Fuck’n works 25 hrs per week then complains about no money.
Oh, get a job? Just get a job? Why don’t I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on little jobbies?!
Yeah, get a different job. There are tons of them out there right now. Unemployment rates are the lowest they’ve been in decades. Ten years ago you could have made this complaint, but these days there are plenty of jobs and especially at ~$15/hour.
It’s just a reference to It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
These guys are frothing at the mouth to peddle Fox News talking points, they don’t have time for humor.
Lol, me peddling Fox News? That’s rich. I can’t stand Faux News and the propaganda they spread.
Even if you don’t get a job immediately, with a 25h week you should have a lot of time to upskill and get yourself employable.
There are a lot of free resources for anything from programming, MS Office (seriously, Excel will get you a job), languages, and even science (though probably more as a setup for any kind of degree).
One 5 hour furry art commission and they doubled their do-whatever income. Make it 4 a month and they can buy all the tendies they want,no more rice and beans. Three months in, they can make a patreon where they double dip by posting commission art for patrons to see. Within two years they have financial stability to go full time exclusively drawing wolf dick.
Come on guys, it’s so obvious!
Agreed. When I was hard up I worked a full time retail job that paid commission, used that wage to pay for community college in cash, and had a part time job that both furthered my career and gave me spending money. Slept in my car and bathed at the college gym. A few years later I’m making 6 figures.
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It literally is. This is what every conservative thinks life should be.
Slept in my car and bathed at the college gym
Jesus Herbert Christ man, that’s fucking rough
It’s really easy if you make it up.
You think no one ever does this? I did it, worked 2 jobs + gig work, saved up enough for a security deposit at a place.
I was also very lucky in that I had a friend willing to loan me the 1st month rent, but I could have saved it eventually
The American Dream: scrimp and save long enough and you too might be able to not own a house.
obongocare
This idiot gets what he fucking deserves
Its a satire website, damn
Why would anyone blame Obamacare and not their employer for not offering health insurance?
How about blaming our horrible system of employer sponsored health insurance?
If you’re part-time and making $15 an hour don’t you qualify for an Obamacare subsidy? That would limit the cost to 10% of your income.
Because Obomacare doesn’t cover part time jobs, so there’s only part time job postings
If you make less than 400% of the federal poverty line and are at a job that doesn’t offer insurance or are part time - that’s then you qualify for an Obamacare plan.
The law was poorly written, and meant some people still didn’t have health insurance but now also couldn’t get enough hours.
These half-measures do more to hurt the reputation of universal healthcare than help. The ACA is part of the reason so many Americans are afraid of public control of healthcare.
Even the people that did get health insurance after the ACA often got stuck with an HMO, where the insurance hires the doctor directly instead of letting the patient pick an independent provider. With conflicts of interest like that, the patient gets screwed despite having insurance on paper.
If we just copied Germany’s system completely I think everyone would realize how much better it is than private insurance.
The gaps are there because certain people don’t want the law written to cover people correctly, they still want it to be profitable. The problem isn’t government health care, it’s the people defending private health care.
Me. Be American. Serve my country in uniform for 8 years until I get blown up on my second deployment. Never return home so I can serve the federal government in DC and progress career. Serve as a government civilian for another 12 years.
Medically retire because I can’t drive to work anymore and most of my day is spent in the bathroom for one reason or another.
Move back home because that is where my support network is because I have almost daily medical appointments. Can never work again because of medical issues.
Rent on a two-bedroom apartment takes three quarters of my disability pay. A cell phone, internet, and electricity take the rest.
Food puts me slightly in debt. So do girl scout fees and karate classes for my daughter but I will provide no matter what.
Medical expenses that the government is supposed to pay often comes out of my pocket because the Department of Veterans Affairs is responsible for my care and they are efficiently killing veterans.
People call me a leech on society and make me reprove my income almost monthly for any social programs. I am constantly stressed so I’m starting to look the part.
Eventually the debt will catch up to me and I will be on the street with a “disabled veteran please help” sign.
The US department of Veterans Affairs will still claim that there are no homeless veterans.
I (Canadian) truly don’t understand why Americans aren’t occupying every government office in protest every week.
They have intelligence agencies that crush the vocal ones. I protested and was assaulted after I was arrested. It changed my life. The government granted the agent who assaulted me immunity. You can Google the case and read the details. “Gilson v. Alvarez IV”.
The FBI presented modified evidence in order to try to put me in federal jail because I protested over a thought crime of doing hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage because I was holding something over 3 lb. I luckily remembered something from almost a year prior which was on the tape that they excluded.
The system is not good for the people who are trying to fix the system. I was a federal employee and disabled veteran. I’m just trying to make America better. They’ll kill me for it.
Unfortunately half of the population genuinely believes that Healthcare is a privilege, not a right, and if you’re starving, homeless, or disabled, well you should’ve made better life choices.
They’re also obsessed with undoing the bit of progress we’ve made. Repealing the ACA (Obamacare) has been on their bingo card for years, but any specific regression other than the individual mandate turns out to be incredibly unpopular. “Want to remove the provision that allows kids to stay on their parents’ insurance until they’re 25? Well no, but what about allowing lifetime benefit limits again? Still no? Well at least allow insurance companies to charge more or refuse to cover you for pre-existing conditions!” And yet “repeal and replace” has haunted their platform since the ACA went into effect. Nevermind the fact that we still pay more per capita for Healthcare than any other western country and still have long wait times for appointments.
So yeah, that’s the kind of thing we’re up against, and gerrymandering ensures that nothing ever changes.
Because fuck you, got mine.
Because about 40% of our population are moronic Trump supporters who support that shit
God. I’m so sorry. Every story I’ve heard about the VA is absolutely fucked.
I’ve never dealt with the VA and my knowledge of it is limited, but someone I care a lot about was in the Navy. She’s been suffering constant flashbacks and slowly losing touch with reality over the past couple weeks, she can’t really be on her own, we’ve been trying to get her any form of inpatient care or even just meds. She was sent home from the clinic several times when we brought her because technically my partner is around to take care of her. She wasn’t lucid enough during appointments to talk to a doctor, so they kinda just shrugged their shoulders, scheduled another appointment in 4 weeks, and let her go. We knew we were in way over our heads taking care of her, but we weren’t given any other option and she didn’t have anywhere else to go. Fast forward a week, she’s in a hypochondriac panic, had to be restrained in order to keep her from consuming poison, she breaks free and attacks my partner and a few cops, now she’s in jail when she should have been in a hospital weeks ago. I am still wrapping my head around how badly the system failed her, and I can only imagine how many stories like yours and hers there are.
The problem is not Obamacare (and why the racist mispelling?), it’s greedy employers playing the loopholes in it to cheat you out of getting the medical care you deserve. And lobbying against universal health care, which would be much better (and save them a ton of money) becauae it would take away their power over the employees who are full time.
I remember back in the old 9gag days, people would just accept a joking misspell, without getting triggered over it.
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It changes a bit when the “joke misspelling” is implied to be the reason why it’s as fucked as it is, instead of exercising some critical thinking and blaming the real reason.
The “joke misspelling” spreads misinformation and is part of the reason why we ended up with 2016 - 2020. At some point it stops being just jokes and is actually how people think, so it becomes a legitimate problem.
The only positive I see is that people are more aware of how cruel and indifferent capitalism is to human suffering. My kids are just now becoming adults and I am really scared for them.
Except their missing the reason and instead blame this notion that the government is going to force us to eat bugs and live in pods and shit.
It’s like they can see how businesses, the rich, and capitalism in general are failing them and instead lash out their right wing conspiracy strawman.
Yeah well that’s what happens when your government solutions are right-wing, means-tested bullshit like the ACA. People stop trusting you. The 30 hour requirement was stupid and plenty of people knew it at the time. All employers should’ve been required to offer insurance, except maybe very small businesses.
A lot of what the alt-right is, is just a rebrand of left wing issues.
I was at occupy, and it’s fascinating and horrifying to watch people I knew from back then now among the alt right. Tim Pool is the bad penny I always roll my eyes at.
25 hours
No Money
America Failed
Anon is not a businessperson.
15x25x4= 1500 a month pretax
11x40x4= 1760 a month pretax
Anon is a financial genius. Could probably find an easier job in walking distance at that wage.
It sounds like they’d lose their health insurance if they worked 40 hours though? Maybe I misunderstand, we don’t have health insurance where I live.
Obamacare requires employers to offer insurance to any full time employees. Full time is 30 or more hours a week, so anon is saying his employer is deliberately cutting his hours to keep him under the point where they would have to help him with insurance.
Ah, so it’s that their employer won’t let them work more than 25 hours a week because much more than that and they’d have to pay up for health insurance too. Lovely stuff. I’ve a friend in MA who used to work for Target. Their modus operandi was to promote people and as they’ve worked longer (and get more expensive) they’d set them to train new staff and slowly phase them out.
The complete lack of worker’s rights in the U.S. is baffling.
Anon… I’m sure you can’t afford therapy, which is probably the biggest injustice of all here. You are worth more, and work can have dignity. Use that extra time to make money without a boss. You don’t need college. Fuck the system. Learn to program or draw or make things. All of that requires time and probably money, but luckily you you have time, and there are resources on the Internet that allow you to learn on the cheap/free. You don’t need their shit… You can be independent. It’s hard, but your life is hard now, so what do you have to lose?
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The hard part of app development is identifying and translating all of the nuances of human desires and unanticipated needs into a working application. ChatGPT is on par with junior programmers - it can produce simple programs, help contribute to complex ones, but will struggle (for now) with the complexities of dealing with the major hurdles of software dev.
Eventually it will reach a point where it can reason about human needs and motivation autonomously (probably stacking multiple specialized LLMs or similar together for each area of reasoning, unless something new comes about) but we’re a ways away from that yet.
I think the big disruption that ChatGPT will cause near-term is the same as that of generative AI art - the low specialization portion of labor will be replaced, eg stock photo producers and basic CRUD/site apps. For the rest, it will be a tool that gives those that adopt it alongside skill a serious leg up.
In ten years I think the conversation will be different, but two years to learn means 8 years of good salary and time to adapt to that future. Better than $15/hr* with no healthcare in rural US.
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In the years since The Rapture of the Nerds was written, I think America is coming closer and closer to the biting way the “Christian States of America” was written in that book…
Good news, anon definitely qualifies to live for free in a state facility
All he has to do is get caught smoking weed, and he can spend the rest of his life in state run facilities
Where dat 750 at?
No shit. Wish I could find a place for 750.
Anyone else worry there are more people than jobs? Just generally?
There are definitely more people than good paying jobs.
Good paying = can afford necessities like food and a house and family expenses and childcare and healthcare.
Get a basic It credential from a community college with the extra hours a week and get an entry level helpdesk job. Average starting wages on the low end at 20$. I don’t disagree with the underlying message though.
Then you don’t qualify for the Obamacare tax credit and end up paying 300-600 a month depending on the plan you choose. Isn’t that Anon’s point about why they have to work part time?
40 hours a week at 20$ makes up for that (vs 25 hours at 15). Healthcare is absurdly expensive, but it isn’t the fault of ‘obamacare’.
