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- 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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are they even in this 196
lefty anti-capitalist spaces tend to attract them in general
Looking at a few of the comments, yes.
Not in this one they’re all on the tankie instance
well it sounds like the tankie instance needs blocked then. What instance is that btw?
The instance is called
lemmygrad.mland already blocked by most of the other instances. You can see blocked instances if you scroll down the page and click on theInstancesbutton.Their 196 is called
moretankie196.What’s a 196? What’s a tankie?
A 196 is a meme sharing forum with the name 196. I don’t really know how to describe a tankie, but something like: a leftist person who glorifies autocracy and the use of force to make a leftist utopia.
«tankie» is a term used to describe communists who support or are critically supportive of so-called “authoritarian regimes” (AES (actual existing socialism) such as Cuba, the USSR, China, Vietnam, the DPRK, Laos, etc.) or their actions.
The guy driving the tank rather than standing in front of it.
The community is called moretankie196 and I’m not sure what the server is exactly called
Liberals when talking about human rights: :) Liberals when talking about the enforcement of human rights: :(
Tankies ≠ Liberals, though
Yes that was my point, easy to criticise tankies but at least they want to do things.
I’m a Liberal through and through and I’m all in favor of enforcing human rights.
That’s great, but liberalism as an ideology in the real world is pathetically weak on the right.
Yeah, the Liberals only destroyed the Nazis and Imperial Japan in WWII, saving the USSR in the process.
Not to mention jailing far right nutballs whenever they step out of line.
Much worse than running gulags for anarchists. /s
The USSR did 90% of the work in beating the Nazis though. As for jailing the far right, it sure doesn’t look like it, just look how many of them are running around encouraging stochastic terrorism against the LGBT community.
The USSR only fought the Nazis, and then only after allying with them.
The west also did a ton of non-aggression pacts and friendship pacts with the Nazis. Also; Poland was fascist at the time too.
Poland was not in a good place politically, but it wasn’t Fascist, and the USSR didn’t just make a friendship pact with the Nazis, it went to war alongside them. Stalin was an opportunist who made a dumb decision, not a principled anti-Fascist.
Tankies ≠ leftists ≠ liberals
Plenty of leftists want human rights and even know we’ll need a revolution to get them, but the USSR and CCP were not ever communist, they were authoritarian oligarchies disguised as communism. The same way the US is not a democracy or a republic, it’s an authoritarian oligarchy disguised as one.
The USSR wasn’t perfect (and Stalin ruined most things that were good obviously) but they weren’t any worse than the USA or the west.
Your reading comprehension really is something to behold. You basically just disagreed with me by saying exactly the same thing I just fucking said.
Yeah okay, fair enough, I kinda only read the start and end of your post. I guess I agree with you then. I still think the USSR gets too much hate in general though. I vociferously defend the USSR around liberals and attack it around M-Ls lol.
My opinion on the USSR is that Lenin was cool, Trotsky was cool, and everyone else deserved to be hanged in Minecraft
Lenin and Trotsky were mass murderers.
The dismissal of tankies really bothers me.
Remember Iraq’s WMDs? Remember how the intelligence reports were actually based on a Nicholas Cage movie called The Rock? Remember how this goofy story was nevertheless widely reported and believed, and America still invaded Iraq, and 2.4 million Iraqis still died? Remember how 4 in 10 Americans still think America found WMDs in Iraq to this day?
the Iraq WMDs story inundated western media. It was everywhere. And everyone believed it. And millions died as a result. Tankies and other leftists disagree mainly on what is western distortion and what is true. That is an important question to think about, not one to be dismissed out of hand. America does lie about its enemies, and it does have enormous resources for selling those lies to the public. And people die when those lies are believed.
Yeah, tankies are not the only people who realize George Bush lied about WMDs lmao. Basically all leftists know that. However, most other leftists don’t make excuses for people like Stalin, Mao, and Castro. We can advance our cause without supporting mass murderers. Fuck tankies
“The dismissal of tankies really bothers me”
I am gonna make it easy.
If you are a holocaust denier, Stalin/Mao/Hitler/lenin fetishist or “defend” how they ruled their people then you are purposely keeping your eyes shut.
There is so so much literature to read and material to watch about these people that you actually have to actively dodge it to not know what they have done and some of the regimes that came from them are still doing.
Just because you are right about 1 thing doesn’t mean that it validates every single believe that you have.
There are also enough people who are not the above who were against the invasion of Iraq and already foresaw why the US went there.
But this is the thing; It is your choice to believe the above. It literally is a choice, the truth is different. It is literally a choice to close your eyes towards history and the crimes authoritarian rulers and regimes are still commiting towards their citizens.
The western world is not perfect but there is a reason people are fleeing towards western nations and not the other way around.
Defending the genocidal western world in some contrarian bs over tankies is nothing but discussing. But please rationalize a million dead Iraqis, with this snobbish tone, you’re probably correct.
I have come to one nine five, I’m the spooky tankie that is in the room with you right now oooooooooooh! 👻👻👻 I’m the spectre of communism! 👻👻👻
Be sure to check your walls!
sorry im a ghostbuster
Wait a fucking moment, this post is 23d old. Lmao, sorting by hot moment.
Sir, are the talkies in the room with us right now?
Ok, I am out of this individualistic and reactionary group.
Off you fuck
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