Cultural Genocide is wrong. -someone who has been called a tankie alot.
There are certainly people who misuse the term. Only bootlickers for authoritarian regimes painted a thin coat of red are tankies.
I do support a dictatorship of the Prolitariat as a necessary step if achieving true Communism, dont get me wrong.
Yeah, but being a Tankie isn’t liking communism, it is saying that the Soviet Union did nothing wrong in Hungary in 1956.
Yes that’s the OG definition, but as of late it has become a catch all for people anywhere left of classical lib.
It depends where, but I’ve only really seen it said on Lemmy in discussions regarding international relations and my time on Reddit has been significantly reduced.
I have also seen a lot of people on Lemmy who are obvious tankies argue that it is a slur against communist supporters rather than a specific criticism about tribalism, realpolitik, and internal imperialism engaged by communist countries.
It is in the vested interest of tankies to change the meaning of the word.
It is used as a slur against unapologetic socialists and communists sometimes, although actual tankies would like to pretend it’s only a slur and not descriptive of Stalinists.
It is certainly a path. One which has failed repeatedly. I don’t quite understand the dogma which surrounds this particular bit of conventional wisdom. It seems to intentionally ignore an entire century of revisionist thought, and rapidly becomes a braindead purity test in my experience.
Do you mean that in the original Marxist sense, where a dictatorship of the proletariat is contrasted to the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie - ie that it is referring to the domination of one class over the structures of democratic government rather than a literal autocratic or oligarchic regime? Or the ML sense where it means “Everyone obeys the Party Line, please ignore who controls the Party”?
The classic Marxist sense, although i think Lenin’s ideology was necessary for a successful revolution to occur in his time. The Party went down hill majorly when Stalin took over instead of Trotsky.
I’m down. I understand support of Lenin, even if I personally disagree and side more with the SRs, and have sympathies for the Makhnovists. Post-Lenin is when it gets truly gruesome.
Eh, I think Trotsky and Lenin have some responsibility. While I am in full support of October (and Leninists ideology), I think the Bolshevik repression of the 20-21 strike wave was a troubling development demonstrating separation between the party and the class. (Kronstadt began in sympathy with that strike wave.) Then in the 10th Party Congress, the Workers Opposition took up some of the workers demands and pushed a program to keep party and state separate. They urged union control of the economy and democracy. In response, Trotsky argued that unions would no longer be necessary at all! Even Lenin thought that was going too far. But this is when democracy came under attack even within the party and factions were formerly banned.
Here is the text of the Workers Opposition manifesto. https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1921/workers-opposition/index.htm
The text was banned in Soviet Russia in March of 1921, by resolution of the 10th Congress of the Communist Party. The headings, “individual or collective management” and “bureaucracy and self activity of the masses” seem prescient.
Trotsky became a champion of democracy a little late, only after methods of repression he himself used were turned against him.
Drake meme:
Archieve true communism
Stay dictator of the proletariat for just a bit longer
The dictator of the proletariat isn’t one guy. It’s the group of people who work. As opposed to now where most countries are a dictatorship of the wealthy.
It literally means the workers (like you and I) dictating the rules. If you’re a commie it means democratically. Who dictates the rules now? The wealthy.
Red scare propaganda is so exhausting…
Right, a dictatorship OF the class proletariat OVER the class bourgeoisie. And can, should, or even needs to be a democracy WITHIN the proletariat.
Unfortunately, tankies turn the phrase into an excuse for authoritarianism, which they wank over.
Marx himself called the Paris Commune to be an example of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. The Commune had universal suffrage and recall of neighborhood representatives on demand.
It really is exhausting, i hate that there is effectively zero Marxist lit in libraries in the USA and if there is, somone stole it or hid it.
There’s no dictatorship of the proletariat in Marx, though.
“Long before me, bourgeois historians had described the historical development of this struggle between the classes, as had bourgeois economists their economic anatomy. My own contribution was (1) to show that the existence of classes is merely bound up with certain historical phases in the development of production; (2) that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat; [and] (3) that this dictatorship, itself, constitutes no more than a transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.”
At first I thought using the term “tankies” was similar to how rednecks call the left “libs.” Mostly it was because I didn’t understand the term.
Then I asked what it meant.
Once I knew what it meant- I was determined to stay out of it. I didn’t really have a dog in that race as I didn’t have much of an opinion either way.
Then I came here and saw first-hand the sheer lunacy from those people.
I call them tankies now.
Yeah, the Marxists Leninist are the problem, not the conservative MAGA ghouls that want to enslave women and children… smh 🤦♀️
Problem is the so-called tankies don’t even distinguish between MAGA people in the US and US liberals or Democrats - to them, they’re both “Liberals” as in neoliberals, and for some reason they rarely criticize US conservatives while spending plenty of time criticizing US Democrats. Doesn’t make much sense from their supposed point of view.
TokenBoomer is a tankie bootlicker. Ignore them. Their only interest is in sobbing “Why won’t the socdems work with us???” while simultaneously saying that socdems and fascists are the exact same thing.
“Left unity” to tankies means “Lick out boots until we put a bullet in your head”. Obey the party line!
I’d be amazed if this person actually lived in the US.
I, unfortunately, do. So, enjoy the amazement.
I’ll believe it when I bump into you at the grocery store and apologize for not being communist enough.
So, you admit you don’t believe in communism. How did I know?
You don’t agree that fascism is capitalism in decay? Why shouldn’t I want to work with groups that want to prevent another Trump presidency?
The issue isn’t with wanting to work together - that’s the key point you’re missing. It’s the way left-leaning Americans are lumped in with complete fascists, like it’s either 100% good or “You’re a LIBERAL just like Republicans!” (meaning neoliberal, which is also confusing af in American political terms).
I’m glad you understand. Education is liberation.
If you’re anti-capitalist, Republicans and Democrats are the same. And they criticize both, but…
I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice
Martin Luther King, Jr.
I realize their perspective is purely economic issues. However, it completely overlooks the vast difference on social issues and the fact that MAGA wants to institute a more harsh form of capitalism, plus theocratic dictatorship. Seems like a worthy distinction to me. Plus, that doesn’t explain why they’re so hot to criticize people like Biden and Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton but don’t say jack shit about the various Trump supporting clowns prominent in US politics.
Yes, thanks for the MLK quote but not sure why you thought I needed to read that again right now.
I don’t need you to read it, I need you to understand it. MLK was writing about people like Biden, Hillary and Warren, who are more concerned with rules and order than justice. Trump and MAGA are the KKK. We know what they are.
Yeah, the socially liberal lite socialists are the problem, not the conservative MAGA ghouls that want to enslave women and children… smh 🤦♀️
The problem is liberals attacking tankies, who they need to work with to counter the fascism of Trump and conservatives. I want liberals and leftists to work together, but some are so hellbent on purity tests that they fail to see the big picture. Anarchists and Marxists Leninists should know that to ultimately defeat fascism, you have to dismantle capitalism.
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Tankies appear to be whatever you want them to be.
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I don’t care if you call me a tankie, nazbol, or whatever. Just don’t call me Liberal… lol
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Sure, if I can call you a trad-cap.
Yeah, but a tankie send me an essay of words with words in them and when I asked for a source they send me a link with words which led to more sites with words on it and when I hit the original source I reached a YouTube video where some dude talking out of his ass about CIA doing the crimes and there are no crimes but when there are it was CIA but there are no other crime doers then Muslims they deserve what is happening to them which is nothing but if then it is CIA.
Amazing.
And only the redscarers mistakenly use CCP its CPC totally not like the CCCP which is bad except when it’s good and Putin is the moral successor of the completely justified pograms against the bourjwasee.
And don’t forget all the emojis and gifs! They’ll post them at you in droves!
Obscurantism is a favorite tool of tankies, along with blatant denials of reality and conspiratorial thinking. Almost like they’re far-right goons same as any MAGA bootlicker, just painted a slightly different shade of red.
The thing to remember with all authoritarians. Is that they aren’t realistically left or right. They will use whatever means they think they can to maintain control and power. If they think moving in a more socialist direction. Will have people acquiesce and cooperate while still giving them plenty of wealth and power. They will 100% do that. We’ve seen it in the USSR, we’ve seen it in China, we’ve seen it in North Korea. Or they can go capitalist/fascistic as the United States has done for 100 years or so.
Hypocrisy isn’t a flaw to them. It is a tool to be used heavily.
Ah r/EnoughCommieSpam, fighting the good fight. /s
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This meme was literally taken from r/EnoughCommieSpam, the conclusion is obvious.
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I checked. Search Halal Nation on Reddit. It was posted to the Destiny subreddit and EnoughCommieSpam. The post in Destiny has different numbers of comments, retweets and likes, but the post to r/EnoughCommieSpam has the same number of comments, retweet’s and likes. It was taken from that subreddit. If OP got it from twitter, those numbers would have changed. Check yourself.
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Prove me wrong.
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Dude literally running around commenting just this and like 2 other phrases
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Oh shit it knows more words
