I mean this in all good intentions but a lot of these examples don’t really work.
The hunger games is a mess and I do remember the “good” side was also super not cool.
Star wars is even worse since the rebels even after winning things got much worse, so yeah now I cheer for the empire when watching the old movies.
I even back in the day thought the machines had a better point then the humans in the matrix movies.
No one watched Divergent, so who knows?
And in V for Vendetta the whole hook is the story gets you to sympathize with a literal terrorist. Like really a main point of the story is to question authority and not blindly follow like this post expects people to do.
Yeah who the ‘resistance’ is is not cut and dry. The Empire was resisting the rebel forces. It’s not enough to just say the underdog is right. Even this tweet, I have no idea if this guy is a Trumper or the one painting Ruth Bader Ginsburg murals on all the trendy restaurants.
Yeah, It just kinda bugs me that people just toss aside critical thinking like this. Mostly the star wars example bugs me as The empire in the first 3 movies was based of the 3rd reich and very clearly the bad guys, but then when disney took over and removed any story from cannon after the 3rd movie (that covers making a new republic). Now you have this weird situation where canonically the empire was a functional government (that is evil) that is overthrown by the rebels that for some reason don’t become the next government but instead the whole galaxy is now just a massive post apocalyptic hellscape with slaves and worse and somehow the emperor is back leading a crap version of the empire (but with out actually governing anything).
The First Order is lead by a guy with the title of Supreme Leader and has a super weapon.
North Korea is lead by a guy with the title of Supreme Leader and has nuclear weapons.
The existence of North Korea in our world doesn’t mean that functional governments don’t exist, it just means that the governments that do exist don’t want to engage in a never ending war to create a single world spanning government.
So is it that strange that following the fall of the Empire the Republic didn’t try to take over the entire galaxy? If they did that would they be any different from the Empire?
To me it makes far more sense that the Republic opted to just include systems that willingly joined them (which was probably most of the systems that were part of the Republic before the Empire) and maybe supply weapons and to resistance movements in systems that were under control of despotic factions like the First Order. Which is the scenario we see in TFA. Also, it’s more relevant to the world today.
Did we watch the same movies? There was no sign of any functional societies outside of slavers and remnant powers. The first order does not even have planets or a nation, just bases scattered around.
Why does the rebellion even still call themselfs that? Like the first order did not spring up over night. The whole setting of the Disney movies feels so wrong to me, it’s like the characters are in an empty place and nothing matters.
I mean this in all good intentions but a lot of these examples don’t really work.
The hunger games is a mess and I do remember the “good” side was also super not cool.
Star wars is even worse since the rebels even after winning things got much worse, so yeah now I cheer for the empire when watching the old movies.
I even back in the day thought the machines had a better point then the humans in the matrix movies.
No one watched Divergent, so who knows?
And in V for Vendetta the whole hook is the story gets you to sympathize with a literal terrorist. Like really a main point of the story is to question authority and not blindly follow like this post expects people to do.
Wild.
Yeah who the ‘resistance’ is is not cut and dry. The Empire was resisting the rebel forces. It’s not enough to just say the underdog is right. Even this tweet, I have no idea if this guy is a Trumper or the one painting Ruth Bader Ginsburg murals on all the trendy restaurants.
Yeah, It just kinda bugs me that people just toss aside critical thinking like this. Mostly the star wars example bugs me as The empire in the first 3 movies was based of the 3rd reich and very clearly the bad guys, but then when disney took over and removed any story from cannon after the 3rd movie (that covers making a new republic). Now you have this weird situation where canonically the empire was a functional government (that is evil) that is overthrown by the rebels that for some reason don’t become the next government but instead the whole galaxy is now just a massive post apocalyptic hellscape with slaves and worse and somehow the emperor is back leading a crap version of the empire (but with out actually governing anything).
The First Order is lead by a guy with the title of Supreme Leader and has a super weapon.
North Korea is lead by a guy with the title of Supreme Leader and has nuclear weapons.
The existence of North Korea in our world doesn’t mean that functional governments don’t exist, it just means that the governments that do exist don’t want to engage in a never ending war to create a single world spanning government.
So is it that strange that following the fall of the Empire the Republic didn’t try to take over the entire galaxy? If they did that would they be any different from the Empire?
To me it makes far more sense that the Republic opted to just include systems that willingly joined them (which was probably most of the systems that were part of the Republic before the Empire) and maybe supply weapons and to resistance movements in systems that were under control of despotic factions like the First Order. Which is the scenario we see in TFA. Also, it’s more relevant to the world today.
Did we watch the same movies? There was no sign of any functional societies outside of slavers and remnant powers. The first order does not even have planets or a nation, just bases scattered around.
Why does the rebellion even still call themselfs that? Like the first order did not spring up over night. The whole setting of the Disney movies feels so wrong to me, it’s like the characters are in an empty place and nothing matters.
Also the space bombers are stupid.