Oof, this is the only valid argument against universal health care I have ever heard. I never really thought of the fact that once the government manages my Healthcare they will tell me even more of what I am allowed to do with my own body. “If you are gay you are not covered, we don’t want to pay for the additional risks” “you have a misdemeanor drug possession on your record, you can never get Healthcare, because we don’t want to pay for the possible medical costs secondary to your drug use”.
That literally has only happened with privatized insurance. No one was ever removed from Medicare because they had a preexisting condition that was not profitable to insurers.
We already have a problem with too much individual freedom within our socialized healthcare network. Currently one out of every four dollars attributes to Medicare is going towards treating diabetes, for the most part a completely preventable disease. You aren’t seeing diabetics being told they’re going to get kicked off Medicare for drinking too much pop.
for the most part a completely preventable disease.
The reason I added “for the most part” is because I understand pedantic people such as yourself can’t stop themselves from being idiots.
The only type of diabetes that isn’t preventable is type1, which makes up just 5% of the diabetic community in America. The vast majority of Americans who have diabetes could prevent or manage their disease with the moderation of diet and exercise.
Type 1 = Not preventable
Type 2 = 90% “Preventable”. And of that 90% of people that could have just… prevented it… it seems if it was that easy they would have just done it. But maybe there are some comorbidities like thyroid issues, eating disorders, or just straight up depression, those all being other medical issues that got them to the state they are. Honestly, poverty leads to fat people as well. It is expensive to not eat like shit in the US. But, maybe you are right, people just need to stop being fatties and pull themselves up by the bootstraps Mr. Internet Man.
And before you think I dug my heels in against universal health care I didn’t. (That is where this conversation started) I have been on that bandwagon for decades. But the government making laws about what you can and can’t do with your own body with the justification being the Healthcare costs is terrifying and something I haven’t really thought about. It is one thing if they say you are not covered for it (although that is a dangerous avenue as well), but to make a law stating you are or aren’t allowed to do something is scary. As for the diabetes, you made a shitty comment with no compassion or empathy to other people’s struggles. I don’t care about the downvotes or internet points, I will stay here and argue as long as you’re still replying.
And of that 90% of people that could have just… prevented it… it seems if it was that easy they would have just done it.
Well, that brings us back to the original point. That our government ignores the capitalization of addictive harmful substances to the peril of our society’s over all health.
But maybe there are some comorbidities like thyroid issues, eating disorders, or just straight up depression
All of which can be improved with a regiment of healthy diet and exercise… A lot of our problem with diabetes is that we over prescribe medications without attempting to manage things like activity level or diet.
stop being fatties and pull themselves up by the bootstraps Mr. Internet Man.
Weren’t you the one who was just preaching about personal responsibilities? My claim is that the government should have more input over consumables that negatively impact the country’s overall health. How does that equivocate to “pull themselves up by the bootstraps”?
But the government making laws about what you can and can’t do with your own body with the justification being the Healthcare costs is terrifying and something I haven’t really thought about.
What, you want everything to be made of asbestos? Or are you upset that the government banned you from working in mines as a child?
Part of a governments responsibility is to protect it’s citizens from companies selling exceedingly dangerous or harmful products.
As for the diabetes, you made a shitty comment with no compassion or empathy to other people’s struggles.
Calling a preventable disease preventable is just accurate. Your current virtue signaling is just a vain response to being corrected.
You don’t help any patient by lying to them about their own health, or withholding the most advantages treatment options. Sometimes the best medicine is just hard truths.
Oof, this is the only valid argument against universal health care I have ever heard. I never really thought of the fact that once the government manages my Healthcare they will tell me even more of what I am allowed to do with my own body. “If you are gay you are not covered, we don’t want to pay for the additional risks” “you have a misdemeanor drug possession on your record, you can never get Healthcare, because we don’t want to pay for the possible medical costs secondary to your drug use”.
That could go poorly.
That literally has only happened with privatized insurance. No one was ever removed from Medicare because they had a preexisting condition that was not profitable to insurers.
We already have a problem with too much individual freedom within our socialized healthcare network. Currently one out of every four dollars attributes to Medicare is going towards treating diabetes, for the most part a completely preventable disease. You aren’t seeing diabetics being told they’re going to get kicked off Medicare for drinking too much pop.
Diabetes is not a completely preventable disease. You are actually an idiot.
No, you just can’t read…
The reason I added “for the most part” is because I understand pedantic people such as yourself can’t stop themselves from being idiots.
The only type of diabetes that isn’t preventable is type1, which makes up just 5% of the diabetic community in America. The vast majority of Americans who have diabetes could prevent or manage their disease with the moderation of diet and exercise.
Type 1 = Not preventable Type 2 = 90% “Preventable”. And of that 90% of people that could have just… prevented it… it seems if it was that easy they would have just done it. But maybe there are some comorbidities like thyroid issues, eating disorders, or just straight up depression, those all being other medical issues that got them to the state they are. Honestly, poverty leads to fat people as well. It is expensive to not eat like shit in the US. But, maybe you are right, people just need to stop being fatties and pull themselves up by the bootstraps Mr. Internet Man.
And before you think I dug my heels in against universal health care I didn’t. (That is where this conversation started) I have been on that bandwagon for decades. But the government making laws about what you can and can’t do with your own body with the justification being the Healthcare costs is terrifying and something I haven’t really thought about. It is one thing if they say you are not covered for it (although that is a dangerous avenue as well), but to make a law stating you are or aren’t allowed to do something is scary. As for the diabetes, you made a shitty comment with no compassion or empathy to other people’s struggles. I don’t care about the downvotes or internet points, I will stay here and argue as long as you’re still replying.
Well, that brings us back to the original point. That our government ignores the capitalization of addictive harmful substances to the peril of our society’s over all health.
All of which can be improved with a regiment of healthy diet and exercise… A lot of our problem with diabetes is that we over prescribe medications without attempting to manage things like activity level or diet.
Weren’t you the one who was just preaching about personal responsibilities? My claim is that the government should have more input over consumables that negatively impact the country’s overall health. How does that equivocate to “pull themselves up by the bootstraps”?
What, you want everything to be made of asbestos? Or are you upset that the government banned you from working in mines as a child?
Part of a governments responsibility is to protect it’s citizens from companies selling exceedingly dangerous or harmful products.
Calling a preventable disease preventable is just accurate. Your current virtue signaling is just a vain response to being corrected.
You don’t help any patient by lying to them about their own health, or withholding the most advantages treatment options. Sometimes the best medicine is just hard truths.