Scientists prove Elon Musk's Starlink satellites are interfering with ability to study the cosmos
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Scientists, looking deep into space, have long voiced their concerns that satellites are encroaching on their ability to study the cosmos.

Scientists, looking deep into space, have long voiced their concerns that satellites are encroaching on their ability to study the cosmos.

    • smokeythebear@lemmy.worldEnglish
      196·
      1 year ago

      To my knowledge absolutely nothing critical to Ukranian defense uses Starlink.

      And again, what is niave is to not heavily discount any claims Elon makes. Starlink provides neglible value currently, what potential might exist is imaginary.

      The best thing for the world is to realize Elon was a sunk cost and move on

      • SoPunny@lemmy.worldEnglish
        104·
        1 year ago

        Elon already fucked with their starlink I believe, but I didn’t recheck to be fair. Also seriously, don’t trust that man with shit.

        • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
          145·
          1 year ago

          I tried to separate the conversation from Elon to keep it more honest about the benefits of accessible internet for everyone anywhere on Earth.

          So why do you think that launching thousands of satellites would be more cost-effective than other options?

          1. Satellites are expensive.

          2. Launching them into space is expensive.

          3. Cell phones, and cell phone towers are cheap.

          4. Elon Musk is launching them into an orbit where they’ll decay in 10 years anyway, meaning you’ll have to perpetually launch these thousands, or even 10s of thousands of satellites into space just to keep service.

          5. Traditional satellite companies launch fewer numbers of many satellites into the sky to cover large swaths of land instead. Since they aim at rural areas (ex: the Ocean with no one there), they are superior in a cost/efficacy perspective. Yes, there’s less bandwidth, but there’s less people, so its a fine tradeoff.

          6. If you need more density, building cell phone networks / cell phone towers is just superior.

          7. If you need even more density than what cell phones can give you, then there’s always fiber optic directly.

          • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13·
            1 year ago

            Lmao go run some fiop in the Amazon and let me know how that shakes out

            • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
              92·
              1 year ago

              Well, a quick google makes me think a single cell tower and a single satellite are close to the same price.

              All the satellites in question burn up within 10ish years due to their placement in orbit. In fact, a large number of SpaceX satellites already exploded due to mistakes during their deployment.

              Cell towers don’t burn up like that just sitting around.

              I think it would take a lot more work and money to set up towers in the poor countries/areas infrastructure doesn’t exist/hard terrain/desolate areas/warzones/middle of the ocean/etc. But you’d have to weigh in the sacrificing space, which is invaluable to me personally.

              Cool. We already have Hughesnet and have had it for decades.

                • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  32·
                  1 year ago

                  Well, I don’t really see the issue with some satellites blowing up at first.

                  You don’t understand then. The Starlink satellites are designed to fall out of the sky, explicitly. They’re at an extremely low orbit. The entire constellation will fall out of the sky on a regular basis.

                  That’s the explicit design of Starlink. Its collossally stupid. The lower your orbit, the sooner you crash into Earth. Starlink has chosen one of the lowest orbits.

                  But sure, Hughesnet works fine. If you need service outside of a developed area, it should be capable enough.

                  Hughesnet’s satellite is in contrast, in a 500+ year orbit. So they don’t have to replace their satellite all the time. Also, there’s only a few of them, its not like Starlink that has thousands of them.

                  By being lower in the sky, Starlink satellites have a limited range and only cover a small area. They need many, many,many satellites to even have hope, extending the costs and destroying the feasibility of the entire design.

        • smokeythebear@lemmy.worldEnglish
          105·
          1 year ago

          For the third time, you cannot separate the grifter from the grift. That’s not “Fuck Elon”, that’s “starlink is not, and never will be, what was promised”

          Similarly, you can’t weigh an abstract possibility versus a real cost. You want the conversation to be some philosophical discourse about social vs societal value. But it’s not that, it’s a real situation right now.

          And in this real life situation, we have to evaluate what starlink actually is - - a failed toy for wealthy early adopters - - and not what some abstract “could be”.

          Especially when we know for a fact that any public promises of that potential are certainly intended to mislead and not inform.

            • smokeythebear@lemmy.worldEnglish
              82·
              1 year ago

              It’s definitely not an honest conversation when you’ve deliberately and repeatedly chosen to misunderstand what’s being said.

              It’s time to grow up and stop believing hucksters and grifters.