Criminal and working class system are part of weapons to sow conflict. Once there is no more “us vs them” there will only be “everyone”
Provide people in their needs unconditionally and the need for crime will go down.
The right knows what they lost, sense of community and relation with the planet, they are just lead to believe there is a need to compete when we scientifically know there is not.
how can there be more a sense of unity? I think it’s possible, left and right are maybe purposefully (and unintentionally via algorithms) being pitted against each other; there used to seemingly be more shared common values?
sense of community
literally “common unity”; or shared values? well, I guess the right often has shared political or religious values they come together on
relation with the planet
I mean, from what I see there seems to be a split of people on left and right with environment. Some people don’t care much about nature. Some “conservatives” want to “conserve” environment like with regenerative agriculture. I feel like sometimes left and right people get wrong impressions of each other. There are a lot of rightwing posters who like the environment
“In the most extensive poll of how U.S. farmers and ranchers plan to vote for president, respondents overwhelmingly say they’ll support a Republican, and among those, 40 percent say they will support Donald Trump.”
So most farmers seem to be right-wing?
Anyway, the OP meme was reacting to how some writer thought that supporting you local farmer’s market is “fascist”…
So, I guess my question is what specific problems are you trying to solve, and how might we solve them? A “free market” doesn’t automatically fix these problems, any more than regulations automatically fix these issues. Problem with regulations is it makes it harder to start up a farm yourself for example: you have to comply with all these rules that make it cost-prohibitive to run small operations. Problem with “free market” like for housing is certain private entities buying up real estate (homes) and then renting it out.
So I guess have you thought about how these problems might be solved together, or do you think there are mutually exclusive approaches (only one side is right)? I think the rightwing side is “right”, but I also identified like with housing how a “free market” approach also allows bad outcomes. However regulation of housing makes it more expensive to provide housing, leading to a lack of a supply of affordable housing and subsequent homelessness.
Anyway if you’d like to discuss it and try to make progress on the problems, that would be nice. Adieu @webghost
So what you are saying is we all really want and ideolize the same thing but its the people who put us up against eachother that are to blame?
No. A single overlap in the need for food and housing does not mean we all want the same shit.
I want that shit for everybody, whether they work or are citizens or criminals.
Conservative minded individuals are staunchly in the make poor people suffer camp.
Otherwise, they wouldn’t be Republicans to begin with, and elections would center around other topics.
Complex issues having simple solutions or outcomes is a bad coping mechanism for a complex world.
Criminal and working class system are part of weapons to sow conflict. Once there is no more “us vs them” there will only be “everyone”
Provide people in their needs unconditionally and the need for crime will go down.
The right knows what they lost, sense of community and relation with the planet, they are just lead to believe there is a need to compete when we scientifically know there is not.
how can there be more a sense of unity? I think it’s possible, left and right are maybe purposefully (and unintentionally via algorithms) being pitted against each other; there used to seemingly be more shared common values?
literally “common unity”; or shared values? well, I guess the right often has shared political or religious values they come together on
I mean, from what I see there seems to be a split of people on left and right with environment. Some people don’t care much about nature. Some “conservatives” want to “conserve” environment like with regenerative agriculture. I feel like sometimes left and right people get wrong impressions of each other. There are a lot of rightwing posters who like the environment
Actually you might be surprised (as I was) to learn the majority of farms in the U.S. are still family-owned (2020): https://thesustainabilityalliance.us/ninety-eight-percent-us-farms-family-owned/
From 2016: https://www.agri-pulse.com/articles/6513-new-poll-sheds-light-on-how-farmers-ranchers-will-vote-for-president
So most farmers seem to be right-wing?
Anyway, the OP meme was reacting to how some writer thought that supporting you local farmer’s market is “fascist”…
You may also be aware that for all of capitalism’s faults, the standard of living has generally increased for the poorest under capitalism: https://fee.org/articles/extreme-poverty-rates-plummet-under-capitalism/
So, I guess my question is what specific problems are you trying to solve, and how might we solve them? A “free market” doesn’t automatically fix these problems, any more than regulations automatically fix these issues. Problem with regulations is it makes it harder to start up a farm yourself for example: you have to comply with all these rules that make it cost-prohibitive to run small operations. Problem with “free market” like for housing is certain private entities buying up real estate (homes) and then renting it out.
So I guess have you thought about how these problems might be solved together, or do you think there are mutually exclusive approaches (only one side is right)? I think the rightwing side is “right”, but I also identified like with housing how a “free market” approach also allows bad outcomes. However regulation of housing makes it more expensive to provide housing, leading to a lack of a supply of affordable housing and subsequent homelessness.
Anyway if you’d like to discuss it and try to make progress on the problems, that would be nice. Adieu @webghost
You just challenged a strawman. I’m not interested in letting anything I say get derailed.
Nobody said how to make housing affordable or the amount of farms of each type.