• Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Okay. So it’s impossible for Biden to make anything better unless he undoes capitalism? Any good things he does are overshadowed by capitalism?

    Isn’t that a bit dogmatic? You’re mistaking the means (socialism) for the ends (better society, happier people).

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      6 months ago

      He can alleviate some of its pains, but he cannot make things better overall without moving towards Worker Ownership.

      I am not mistaking the means for the ends, the ends are achieved via means, and if Capitalism is currently continuing to decline then the ends cannot be achieved without moving towards Socialism.

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        6 months ago

        and if Capitalism is currently continuing to decline

        You’re ignoring the “if” though. We have clear examples of how capitalism can succeed in the Scandinavian countries (I would call them socialist, but you would say they’re not, we’ve had this discussion). If Capitalism in the US moves in that direction, would you be willing to abandon socialism because we have a better path to societal happiness?

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          6 months ago

          Social Democracies still depend on Imperialism to subidize their safety nets, still see decay (albeit at a lower rate), and still have the inherent exploitation of Capitalism. If you could fix Capitalism, I would be the first in line, haha.

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            6 months ago

            Can you elaborate on all those points?

            What empire does Scandinavia have?

            What signs of “decay” do you see?

            What do you mean by exploitation?

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              Scandinavian countries export industrial and financial Capital to the Global South, to Super-Exploit internationally for domestic Super-Profits.

              Scandinavian countries have seen decreasing social safety nets and rising inequality.

              Capitalism inherently contains the exploitation of the Worker by the Owner, where the Owner pays the Worker less than the value the Worker creates, and profits from that difference.