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    2 months ago

    yes, you’re getting it! America is indigenous Land. Europeans stole it.

    Reality is a bit more complex obviously, but yes, indigenous people have the same right to self determination as the jewsh do.

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      So if I’m a Native American and convert to Judaism, do I get two houses? And what about hall of famer Rod Carew? (He converted.)

      Also, wouldn’t it be better if people could live wherever they want and still get self-determination?

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          You said the Jewish people need self-determination, just like Native Americans, and I agree.

          But since you can convert to Judaism, does that mean anyone who converts gets to have a spot in Israel? And if a Native American converts to Judaism, do they get a house in Manhattan and Israel?

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            I have no idea what you’re trying to get at. I am talking about the jewish as a people, not as a religion. So you don’t just ‘convert’. Jewish is an identity that goes beyond religion.

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              How many generations of observing Jewish religious practices does it take before one can claim that identity? Do the children of a Jewish person and a non-Jew only get to have a spare bedroom? What about someone with Jewish grandparents? Is a convert who follows religious doctrine strictly less worthy of a free house than my Jewish friend in high school who loved bacon cheeseburgers?

              What I’m getting at is this sort of thing is exactly the problem: Thinking of Jewish people as “other” and “separate” is a precondition to discrimination. Acknowledging that they live everywhere and are part of the religious tapestry of a multi-ethnic nation is better and safer.

              tl;dr - Adam Sandler’s Hannukah Song has a powerful antisemitic message.

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                Thinking of Jewish people as “other” and “separate” is a precondition to discrimination.

                Jewish identity has been formed because of the discimitation and segregation they have been subjected to. Their aspirations to have their own safe environment is a reaction to that. Antisemitism predates Zionism.

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        2 months ago

        Also, wouldn’t it be better if people could live wherever they want and still get self-determination?

        Well, obviously. And neither Europeans nor Arabs granted this to the jewish. Which made Zionism necessary.