I assume “Other purposes” is govt kickbacks to mining and gas companies 😬

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    I love that it helps you see how little of the welfare payments are going to the unemployed, since that’s the part that concerns people the most.

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      That’s a newer addition, when it first came out under a conservative Goverment, all welfare was grouped together.

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        Classic Conservative tactic.

        “Evil, stupid, greedy-” stuffs pockets “-jobless, welfare scroungers!” stuffs pockets “Pensioners, vote for me to bring down our welfare spending!”

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      Indeed, especially since I am quite unconcerned about the Aged. They had their chance!

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      Uk government tried this a few yrs ago trying to spin the welfare part as work shy bambots then it came out that the lions share was pension pots that took up most of it with the teachers pensions being the one the media focused on

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        The US has a similar breakdown by % as this Australian one, except that what’s called “welfare” in Australia is called “entitlements” in the US and makes up about 50% of the budget. Welfare in terms of the dole aka money given to “work shy bambots” makes up only about half of one percent.

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    Always liked this because it helps people see to some extent where money is going.

    I know the UK and Portugal do this as well. It was especially interesting in the UK during the Brexit years because you could see a tiny piece of that pie chart with EU contributions, almost saying “this is how little of our money is going to Europe”, didn’t do any good in the end but hey, still great info to have that all detailed

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      the UK do this as well

      They do?

      Well shit, they do! Shame they don’t actually tell you about it actively - as you said, they probably don’t want most people to realise.

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        That welfare budget is a load of of shit, too. If you have a look at the actual breakdown, most goes on housing (read: private landlords) and(!) pensions.

        Some crafty fucker in the dwp had the genius idea of splitting up state and civil service pensions, placing civil service pensions under the welfare group to make the welfare bill higher. Out of the welfare budget I think only 5% of that goes on the unemployed. Out of that 5% only 1% of that 5% figure goes to the long term unemployed. (Being on the dole >6months). Yet they only bang on shit the feckless and workshy…

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          Do you know where I could look for the actual breakdown - I’m not sure what to search for - would it be in the budget documents?

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        This is just federal spending. Most educational spending is at the state level.

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          I don’t know much but I don’t think Australia works that way? Do they have “states” or some equivalent? Curiously asking.

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            Yeah we have 6 states. Australia is a federation like the US. There’s no equivalent to this form because we don’t have any state income taxes.

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      Just wait til we buy the govt some nuc subs in the coming years, then that bar gonna be a long boi

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      Except we kinda do need our military, especially with how cunty some point Australia’s neighbours can be.

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      Yeah because that shit is totally not needed. AU and EU need to step up their shit. Iran and China sure are.

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          You people live in a fantasy world where physical threats do not exist. The US is leading the way protecting Asia and Europe. The entire balkins would be under RU is it wasn’t for that spending.

          The spending it’s needed and it’s EU/Asia doesn’t step up it’s game they’ll ultimately be a second tier power to the United States perpetually. Their call I guess 🤷‍♂️.

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            I mean sadly you’re right - people like to hate on our defense spending in the US, but who does the world look towards when Russia invades Ukraine? It sucks that it needs to be this way, but if we don’t have a strong deterrent to other countries then we’re just asking for problems. Look at how aggressive China and Russia have gotten recently, with China inching closer to an invasion of Taiwan. Who’s going to be laughing when the US is there to help Taiwan?

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            We know more about geo politics in the region than you do. And your drastic oversimplification does not actually result in a reasonable and coherent plan for peace in the Asia pacific region. Again I’ll say, your presence and commentary in this case is misinformed and incorrect.

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            I’m not sure why your being downvoted, but it’s true. Allied countries of the U.S. do not have to put much towards their military budget do to being able to rely on the U.S.

            The U.S. has a strong military presence in the Indo-pacific region and if they didn’t, surely some adversaries would have already been having their way.

            It’s unfortunate it comes to this but that’s just the facts.

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    I strongly believe that this should be the standard everywhere. Unfortunately most governments won’t tell you this, because a few of them are busy building golden temples for their authoritarian leaders, and blowing half of it on cocaine while pretending it’s the immigrants’ faults

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      I agree with you 100% that this should be standard everywhere, but here’s the thing… this information is readily available already.

      At least in the US. But just like with most thing, it takes citizens a willingness to show the tiniest bit of effort to find that information.

      https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58888

      This is but one of many sites which show a breakdown of where our money in the US goes. Having one that breaks down each person’s personal contribution would be especially interesting, but a percent is a percent so if 20% of our money collectively goes to X, then 20% of what your paid as an individual will also go to X.

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        sometimes accessibility and user experience is more important than "its available if you look for it.: 99% of people don’t really have time, they have families, jobs, some leisure, cooking, paying bills, visiting family. etc. etc. So it should be easy and the FACT that it isn’t easy is purposeful whereas the Australian system is purposefully easy.

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          I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but again, it IS easy. It took me less than 10 seconds to find the link I provided. Sure, make it even easier still by including it with every tax return, but let’s not kid ourselves - this shit is incredibly easy but average taxpayers just don’t want to bother.

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            I would argue average taxpayers don’t know it exists and a ton of them, particularly older ones have a very hard time with technology. I’ve had to show my mother in law how to get a url from her phone to her desk top, I’ve explained what the read mode means in Firefox, and numerous other things. Easy for you doesn’t mean easy for everyone.

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      Not only this, I think this should be selectable by taxpayers before they pay taxes so they can customize the amount that goes to each category. This would be the true democratic way of doing it. So, for example, based on your salary you need to pay 20k in taxes. You’d then select how much you want to go into Transportation, Healthcare, defense, education, etc.

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        This wouldn’t be truely democratic. It would rather be just like donations. Government spending works, because it’s all out into the same basket. If it weren’t, then rich taxpayers would move the movey to projects they want - and as would have very little old-age welfare, because they don’t pay much taxes anymk6and every group in society would put the money into their projects.

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        If you can’t see the obvious ways this would fail and/or be abused you should steer clear of any and all leadership positions.

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        Then everyone would just fund things 100% and 0% for everything else they deem not important, like education or roads.

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          That’s the point. If people don’t find it important, then it’s not. Who else should decide if not the people?

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        And if you get caught using a public service you didn’t pay for, you get fined.

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      I also think people should not be allowed to vote unless they pay a flat poll tax. Otherwise it’s a conflict of interest.

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    One thing to note about this breakdown is that it wasn’t legislated with good intention but it was implemented in a very malicious compliance way that completely counteracted the original intention.

    This receipt was legislated by the conservative party in Australia under Tony Abbott, the surface level intention was to “show where people’s tax dollars are spent”. However the underlying intention was to show welfare spending as a huge category that totally eclipsed all other spending in order to demonize welfare, particularly unemployment welfare. In order to build public support for rolling back that spending.

    However when the letter was implemented, the welfare category was further broken down as you see here, completely working against the narrative that the government at the time was trying to spin (that unemployment welfare particularly was a huge drain on society).

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        My favorite thing about budget breakdowns in the US is how often pundits list defense spending as a percentage of GNP (gross national product) rather than as a percentage of the annual budget. Nothing else in the budget ever gets this kind of favorable treatment (which makes it appear smaller than it actually is) except sometimes debt service.

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          I don’t think that’s favorable treatment. Defense is 3%. Social Security is 5%. Medicaid and Medicare is also 5%.

          We can afford our defense budget and make the country better for the common person by utilizing our funds more efficiently and/or moving to universal healthcare.

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    Another thing that’s great about aussie tax… you can fill it out yourself, it’s very easy, all online, and it takes a very short time. They also explain every question in the form and have lots of materials that you can read. For me, I finish it each year in about 10 minutes, and never think about it again.

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      In Norway, we just get it prefilled based on automatically reported data, and it’s delivered by default after a certain date - you can of course make changes up until then (and retroactively up to 3 years later).

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        It’s prefilled in Australia too, we just go through and double check it’s okay and then hit submit

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      In the UK tax is deducted ‘at source’ by your employer for anybody employed. You have a personal tax code, which tells your employer how much tax to deduct and pay on you behalf.

      You then have a number of allowances you can claim against if you are eligible, to reduce your tax, which issues you an updated tax code.

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        It is a very similar system in Australia. Must employees have their tax taken out when they are paid.

        You can then claim deductions on certain things, and also make sure if you have multiple jobs you paid the correct tax.

        Most people get some money back every year

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    I think something like this would make U.S. citizens feel better about taxes in general, since it can sometimes feel like you’re throwing a large portion of your hard-earned money away.

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      The data to create this is essentially public with budget bills right? It would just take building a percentage tree and categorizing them appropriately. I might look into how complex this would be to build.

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      true but seeing how much goes to welfare might make republicans hit the roof. Everyones got that uncle that hates the poors.

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        Mind you the largest chunk of that is the elderly with the unemployed being one of the smallest ones. I’m very much in favour of both by the way.

        If you think your taxes are too high then it’s not because too much is going to welfare; it’s because too much is going to tax breaks (which won’t show up on a chart like this) for fossil fuel companies and the wealthy.

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        Most in Australia don’t read where the money goes. Taxes aren’t too bad (IMO) and the system is so easy that once you submit you don’t really go back to see where it went. Or maybe I live in a bubble.

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    Fun fact: in the United States you can request this same sort of receipt. It’s slightly different, but all you have to do is request it, and they can show you exactly how many brown people they shot, or godless communists they’ve brought democracy to with your taxes!