Given how much Lemmy “leftists” trip all over each other in order to praise the Chinese characteristics that cause “socialism” to produce billionaires while overlooking human rights abuses, yeah, I think it is the authoritarianism they like and not the economics.
There’s certainly a “baby socialist” to china stan pipeline. I’ve heard people blame PSL for this irl, but that group doesn’t exist in my area. Online, there’s probably some communities that i could care less about that act as these pipelines.
And if you stay at that baby socialist stage and come out on the other side of the pipeline, you will end up one of the least socialistic people who has deeply authoritarian views and the worst takes. “Ah yes, i’m a socialist, we need 100 years of brutal authoritarian state capitalism to build our industrial capacity to allow us to transition to socialism. That’s what marx meant when talking about the dictatership of the proletariat.” -statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
True, but the auth-left is really rabid for authority. Sometimes it’s not even very left but it’s some “trusted institution” and it’s “unamerican” to question it. I say question all power structures. Because if you can’t even question them you are in a bad place culturally.
The most common one I have seen irl is people who are actually on the left, communists, trotskyists, marxist-leninists who are extremly anti-america under the guise of anti-imperialism who have slowly turned into campist “if they are against america that’s good” types
How much they like them varies. I’ve seen people who hate them, they just hate them less than the US, and see them as a part in their undoing. I’ve seen people who kinda like them, but only in the sense they are a resistance. Granted, those people will actually condemn them if it comes to their crimes.
I’ve also seen people focus solely on the yemeni people, and after giving a speech at a protest someone got upset at them for “supporting the houthis.” And in that speech that person mentioned the yemeni people’s suffering under the houthis and their need to go. Some people will also just conflate individual living under a repressive regime to being a member of it, and use that to vilify solidarity with the oppressed. I’ve seen that a lot with calling every palestinian a hamas supporter.
What’s more likely;
Their online identities are real and their support for authoritarian nazi-types is fake.
OR
Their online identities are just a mask and their support for authoritarian nazi-types is 100% genuine.
Given how much Lemmy “leftists” trip all over each other in order to praise the Chinese characteristics that cause “socialism” to produce billionaires while overlooking human rights abuses, yeah, I think it is the authoritarianism they like and not the economics.
There’s certainly a “baby socialist” to china stan pipeline. I’ve heard people blame PSL for this irl, but that group doesn’t exist in my area. Online, there’s probably some communities that i could care less about that act as these pipelines.
And if you stay at that baby socialist stage and come out on the other side of the pipeline, you will end up one of the least socialistic people who has deeply authoritarian views and the worst takes. “Ah yes, i’m a socialist, we need 100 years of brutal authoritarian state capitalism to build our industrial capacity to allow us to transition to socialism. That’s what marx meant when talking about the dictatership of the proletariat.” -statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
Hate to tell you but authoritarianism isn’t endemic to either the left or the right.
True, but the auth-left is really rabid for authority. Sometimes it’s not even very left but it’s some “trusted institution” and it’s “unamerican” to question it. I say question all power structures. Because if you can’t even question them you are in a bad place culturally.
The most common one I have seen irl is people who are actually on the left, communists, trotskyists, marxist-leninists who are extremly anti-america under the guise of anti-imperialism who have slowly turned into campist “if they are against america that’s good” types
How much they like them varies. I’ve seen people who hate them, they just hate them less than the US, and see them as a part in their undoing. I’ve seen people who kinda like them, but only in the sense they are a resistance. Granted, those people will actually condemn them if it comes to their crimes.
I’ve also seen people focus solely on the yemeni people, and after giving a speech at a protest someone got upset at them for “supporting the houthis.” And in that speech that person mentioned the yemeni people’s suffering under the houthis and their need to go. Some people will also just conflate individual living under a repressive regime to being a member of it, and use that to vilify solidarity with the oppressed. I’ve seen that a lot with calling every palestinian a hamas supporter.
Online people, on the other hand… 😬