Chicago Police Superintendent Larry Snelling is touting the nation's second-largest police department as fully prepared for protests ahead of the Democratic National Convention, including on a new mass arrest policy
I came in here to say something cynical about hosting the DNC in Chicago this year like tempting fate, like they want to be out of power for another 24 years afterwards (which may be as long as it takes us to start to have elections again, if Trump wins). Instead I have to deal with this bullshit.
This weird and malicious bill is certainly a heap of shit, but it does nothing even remotely related to making anything illegal. The closest thing is that when investigating instances of discrimination against a Jewish student, the department of education is required to use that definition, so maybe someone who was offended by a Palestine protest could try to twist it around and say that they suffered anti-semitism, and then someone would be required etc etc I don’t even really know what the impact is. But nothing is happening to protestors because of this bill (although it is of course a heap of shit, on that we can agree).
Also, it seems that sensible people are trying to kill it; there’s no real guarantee that it’ll even pass the Senate (although there’s also talk of attaching it to something vital like FAA funding to make it tougher for Biden to veto).
Also, and most importantly, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Biden, on any level. It is very clear why you are bringing his name into it, and it has nothing to do with any kind of genuine attempt at communicating a genuine belief about US politics.
nothing whatsoever to do with Biden, on any level.
Except that… he’s the President… and it for it to become law… well… I hope you at least know that little about the US system of law.
Every bill passing through the house and senate have to do with the President. Often times administrations will work directly with congress to write these laws. Like you aren’t really this obtuse are you?
And Biden has also vocally supported the law and said he’ll sign it. Killing it in the senate is the only chance to stop it now. Biden is going to sign this if it gets through, and it will immediately be put to work to shut down any kind of criticism or protest of Israel. The conflation of Jews and Judaism with Israel is literally in the bill. If you are a student, thinking of becoming one, or have any kind of employment with the DOE or employing with funding related to the DOE, this would severely limit the kinds of speech you are allowed to engage in.
Except that… he’s the President… and it for it to become law… well… I hope you at least know that little about the US system of law.
I’m just gonna assume that every single person reading this can spot the flaw in your logic here, so I don’t need to point it out.
And Biden has also vocally supported the law and said he’ll sign it.
When did this happen?
If you are a student, thinking of becoming one, or have any kind of employment with the DOE or employing with funding related to the DOE, this would severely limit the kinds of speech you are allowed to engage in.
Interesting. Are you saying it doesn’t make protesting against Israel illegal like you said before? Fascinating. But now you’re completely telling the truth about this new version of what it does. Do I have both of those statements correct? I can look up whether you’re lying with the new version, if this new thing is your final answer.
I’m just gonna assume that every single person reading this can spot the flaw in your logic here, so I don’t need to point it out.
Bro you and your constant gas-lighting aren’t worth engaging with.
Like I’ve said before, if you aren’t willing to oppose fascism, racism, or authoritarianism when it comes from Democrats, you aren’t against those things.
Asked whether President Joe Biden would sign the House-passed antisemitism bill into law, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Thursday that the president “welcomes congressional action in this fight.” She declined to offer an overt endorsement of the legislation, saying she wanted to be careful as “several bills” are being discussed.
Which is about as strong a statement as you’ll ever get from the Whitehouse while different versions of the bill are still floating around. He’ll be signing whatever they come out with.
Which is about as strong a statement as you’ll ever get from the Whitehouse
😃
Okay so he definitely didn’t say the thing you specifically said that specifically-he said? And his press secretary didn’t say it either, but you decided that something totally different that she said probably meant that she thought it? I just want to double check on this.
She gave a full throated support for the bill. She’s the press secretary. Thats as good as Biden doing the same. If you are too naive to how communication work in politics because you think you’ve landed some kind-of gotcha, its fine, because you aren’t someone who deserves charity when it comes to disagreement.
But heres the thing. I know you aren’t that naive. I know its just gaslighting with you. And when Biden signs this bill, I’ll be able to point to these conversations where you showed your support for it.
I’m gonna depart from that topic of conversation now, since I think the point is pretty much made.
Hey, unrelated fact: Did you know that Biden is the first US president to ever put sanctions on Israeli settlers, and the first US president since Reagan to pause Israeli weapons shipments? And that he’s currently working hard for a cease-fire? As sad as this bullshit is, he’s actually better than the status quo for the US’s unanimously war-criminal-ass support for Israel.
If you want to talk with me about how we can get Bernie Sanders in there instead, to actually do something substantial to put a stop to US support for Israel, maybe even turn it into tepid opposition, that sounds fuckin great, I’m all ears. But pretending that Biden’s some kind of radical departure for Israel is, like a lot of things you say, totally backwards (again, for as fucking pathetic a statement as that is about the state of the US norm).
And if you want to hand the presidency to the party that’s signing their names to shells that are marked out to blow up Palestinians, telling Netanyahu to “finish the job,” and giving Biden a whole bunch of shit for having paused the weapons shipments and trying to figure out ways to override him on it, be my guest, but don’t try to turn it around into some grand gesture that you’re doing on behalf of the Palestinians. Just say it for what it is: You don’t want Biden for reasons of your own, and this is a great way to attack him (because there is 100% legitimacy to it as applied to his war criminal policy – it being the US norm is no excuse, I agree.)
Are you sure you don’t want to commit to some particular version of what you’re claiming the bill does? I mean, now that you abandoned the clearly absurd bullshit you said first time around. I’m happy to go and research and see whether you were lying this time around, too.
Or give some kind of citation for the thing where Biden vocally supported the bill and said he’d sign it? That one, I actually looked for a little bit, because I didn’t want to look stupid if it was all over the news that he’d actually said that, but I couldn’t find anything with a little bit of looking. But it should be pretty easy to show that you weren’t talking completely out of your ass on that part, too.
Oops, my bad - I meant to say sorry for gas-lighting. Damn autocomplete. I sure am bad faith. You got me right.
Isn’t there some type of “right” for people “peaceably to assemble”?
Yes, but government can restrict the “time, place, and manner”.
Not if its in protest of Israel. Thats about to be illegal. Biden’s gonna sign the bill.
#ItsFacismWhenDemocratsDoItToo
My god dude. It doesn’t stop.
I came in here to say something cynical about hosting the DNC in Chicago this year like tempting fate, like they want to be out of power for another 24 years afterwards (which may be as long as it takes us to start to have elections again, if Trump wins). Instead I have to deal with this bullshit.
This weird and malicious bill is certainly a heap of shit, but it does nothing even remotely related to making anything illegal. The closest thing is that when investigating instances of discrimination against a Jewish student, the department of education is required to use that definition, so maybe someone who was offended by a Palestine protest could try to twist it around and say that they suffered anti-semitism, and then someone would be required etc etc I don’t even really know what the impact is. But nothing is happening to protestors because of this bill (although it is of course a heap of shit, on that we can agree).
Also, it seems that sensible people are trying to kill it; there’s no real guarantee that it’ll even pass the Senate (although there’s also talk of attaching it to something vital like FAA funding to make it tougher for Biden to veto).
Also, and most importantly, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Biden, on any level. It is very clear why you are bringing his name into it, and it has nothing to do with any kind of genuine attempt at communicating a genuine belief about US politics.
Except that… he’s the President… and it for it to become law… well… I hope you at least know that little about the US system of law.
Every bill passing through the house and senate have to do with the President. Often times administrations will work directly with congress to write these laws. Like you aren’t really this obtuse are you?
And Biden has also vocally supported the law and said he’ll sign it. Killing it in the senate is the only chance to stop it now. Biden is going to sign this if it gets through, and it will immediately be put to work to shut down any kind of criticism or protest of Israel. The conflation of Jews and Judaism with Israel is literally in the bill. If you are a student, thinking of becoming one, or have any kind of employment with the DOE or employing with funding related to the DOE, this would severely limit the kinds of speech you are allowed to engage in.
I’m just gonna assume that every single person reading this can spot the flaw in your logic here, so I don’t need to point it out.
When did this happen?
Interesting. Are you saying it doesn’t make protesting against Israel illegal like you said before? Fascinating. But now you’re completely telling the truth about this new version of what it does. Do I have both of those statements correct? I can look up whether you’re lying with the new version, if this new thing is your final answer.
Bro you and your constant gas-lighting aren’t worth engaging with.
Like I’ve said before, if you aren’t willing to oppose fascism, racism, or authoritarianism when it comes from Democrats, you aren’t against those things.
Biden’s support for the bill:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-moves-to-take-up-house-passed-antisemitism-bill-after-campus-protests-erupt/ar-AA1o37up
the quote:
Which is about as strong a statement as you’ll ever get from the Whitehouse while different versions of the bill are still floating around. He’ll be signing whatever they come out with.
😃
Okay so he definitely didn’t say the thing you specifically said that specifically-he said? And his press secretary didn’t say it either, but you decided that something totally different that she said probably meant that she thought it? I just want to double check on this.
She gave a full throated support for the bill. She’s the press secretary. Thats as good as Biden doing the same. If you are too naive to how communication work in politics because you think you’ve landed some kind-of gotcha, its fine, because you aren’t someone who deserves charity when it comes to disagreement.
But heres the thing. I know you aren’t that naive. I know its just gaslighting with you. And when Biden signs this bill, I’ll be able to point to these conversations where you showed your support for it.
I’m gonna depart from that topic of conversation now, since I think the point is pretty much made.
Hey, unrelated fact: Did you know that Biden is the first US president to ever put sanctions on Israeli settlers, and the first US president since Reagan to pause Israeli weapons shipments? And that he’s currently working hard for a cease-fire? As sad as this bullshit is, he’s actually better than the status quo for the US’s unanimously war-criminal-ass support for Israel.
If you want to talk with me about how we can get Bernie Sanders in there instead, to actually do something substantial to put a stop to US support for Israel, maybe even turn it into tepid opposition, that sounds fuckin great, I’m all ears. But pretending that Biden’s some kind of radical departure for Israel is, like a lot of things you say, totally backwards (again, for as fucking pathetic a statement as that is about the state of the US norm).
And if you want to hand the presidency to the party that’s signing their names to shells that are marked out to blow up Palestinians, telling Netanyahu to “finish the job,” and giving Biden a whole bunch of shit for having paused the weapons shipments and trying to figure out ways to override him on it, be my guest, but don’t try to turn it around into some grand gesture that you’re doing on behalf of the Palestinians. Just say it for what it is: You don’t want Biden for reasons of your own, and this is a great way to attack him (because there is 100% legitimacy to it as applied to his war criminal policy – it being the US norm is no excuse, I agree.)
Are you sure you don’t want to commit to some particular version of what you’re claiming the bill does? I mean, now that you abandoned the clearly absurd bullshit you said first time around. I’m happy to go and research and see whether you were lying this time around, too.
Or give some kind of citation for the thing where Biden vocally supported the bill and said he’d sign it? That one, I actually looked for a little bit, because I didn’t want to look stupid if it was all over the news that he’d actually said that, but I couldn’t find anything with a little bit of looking. But it should be pretty easy to show that you weren’t talking completely out of your ass on that part, too.
Oops, my bad - I meant to say sorry for gas-lighting. Damn autocomplete. I sure am bad faith. You got me right.
Again, the irony is strong with this one.
It’s literally the 1st amendment to the constitution, wtf. Yes, it’s fascism, fuck this place.