The biggest fucking joke of a crackkker circlejerk just posted their greatest hit.
What is it?
What do you want to ask me?
I’m not watching any Israeli speak for 17 minutes. Did CPUSA actually officially condemn Hamas?
this speaker did. i’m sure that doesn’t technically count as “officially” condemning Hamas but they sure haven’t rushed into clarifying that is not their actual position.
It’s an extremely sloppy move and I’m no CPUSA supporter, but it also isn’t official condemnation. That’s a very specific accusation.
Inquiring minds want to know!
Will watch it in a bit
Yeah Im in the same boat.
Irrelevant and unserious people says what?
Way worse than I would have expected. Starting off with the whole “needs context”
, hamas bad, poor hostages. There’s literally only one “country” that shouldn’t be invited. May as well invite national socialists since they have socialism in their name.So I’d say this would cause a split but frankly everyone worth listening to has disavowed these libs years ago.
The guy in the video is Dr Ofer Cassif, who is explicitly antizionist. Search Ofer Cassif on youtube, you will see that he has spoken against Israel on Middle East Eye, Al Jazeera, Democracy Now, Majority Report and many other news networks. He was born in Israel and has devoted his life to ending the Zionist project. He helped South Africa take Israel to the ICJ.
Editing my post to include that there have been many posts in support of Ofer Cassif on hexbear in the past. Even the beloved SeventyTwoTrillion wrote a news post about Ofer Cassif.
Ty for the background, how does this change his words in the attached tweet?
People seem to say “critical support” as a joke a whole lot seem to never actually use critical support. I don’t agree with everything he says. You can say that you don’t agree with some things that he says and still appreciate that he has taken serious actions against Israel.
I don’t agree with Norm Finkelstein about his anti-transgender beliefs but we still recognize that him as a prominent antizionist figure.
I watched the video and I see that Ofer Cassif says “We condemned totally condemned the massacre which took place” and he keeps using the word “We”. It seems to me that he is using a metaphoric “We”, (I don’t think metaphoric is the right word). He’s using “We” to say that the general public said that they condemned Hamas. He doesn’t say “I condemn Hamas”, he said “we condemned” as he is setting up a comparison. He is setting up a comparison. In his next breath, he says that what the Israeli government is doing to Gaza is far worse. He calls the Israeli government fascist. Then he says “I place the blame on the Israeli government”. Why does he say “we condemned (oct 7)” but then he said “I place the blame on the Israeli government”? Because in the former instance he was expressing the opinion of the broader public and in the latter, he is saying his own beliefs.
“as everybody knows, the October seventh saw a terrible, criminal massacre committed by hamas against the people of Israel in the south” he said this as the intro to your really funny set of mental gymnastics.
He starts by saying “I want to put the current situation into context”, meaning he is creating a hypothetical. “As everyone knows” is a part of the hypothetical, meaning that he is expressing the beliefs of the general public. And by general public, I mean that it was a popular opinion among Americans that Hamas needed to be condemned. It’s hard to judge his tone because of his accent, but if you pay attention to the way that he is speaking, when he is speaking about the general public beliefs in the terms of “we”, he is speaking in a very slow and dull way, which in my opinion seems mocking. But as soon as you begins to talk about Israel’s attack on Gaza, the pace of his words picks up very quickly and he’s more punctual with his words and he seems much more interested in what he is saying. This is all part of a larger comparison where he concludes that he places the blame on Israel.
If any of this is truly what was “intended” by the speaker, then that’s just horrible speaking and that person shouldn’t be allowed to speak at such events. Unbelievably terrible method of making a point. A sarcastic tone, and even a strong and clear one, is not a rhetorical tool that serious people should use, let alone to condemn genocide.
Sure, ok
do you also condemn hamas
No I don’t condemn Hamas. Here’s a couple posts that I have made in the past where I have defended Hamas. https://hexbear.net/comment/4953011 https://hexbear.net/comment/4982719
The point of my post is that I am telling you that the guy in the video is a very prominent antizionist figure. The fact that you don’t know who he is says that you don’t know very much about antizionism because he has been in the news a lot for taking actions against the Israel government.
i’m telling you i dont care who he is, it’s fucking ridiculous that CPUSA allowed him to make a speech including that no matter what he’s done. Either they didn’t ask him to send in his speech before hand, in which case they are incredibly stupid (and also so incompetent as to not cut off his speech when he started going on like that), or he did send it in and they approved him saying that (or if he changed his speech, again, very very incompetent to not cut it off).
You can’t even pretend like they let him say that for optics, because this is supposed to be convention for people already in the communist party that (supposedly) is advocating for revolution anyways.
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Wtf bro
I just do the same thing and not vote
Hey, everyone.
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AMA
Do you agree with the speaker that the Al Aqsa Flood was an unjustified act?
I don’t agree, no.
