People need space to put stuff, and there’s only so much that can be put into a dinky-ass microcar’s boot. Not to mention, people travel in groups too.
ignore that all of this was about people with accessibility issues and focus merely on ‘groups’
Do I need to specify that I’m talking about groups where at least one person has the kind of issues where ‘walk and use trains!’ isn’t a viable solution? Or should such people just not make groups or travel with young able-bodied people?
I’m not here to make blanket arguments against trains and microcars (Disclaimer: I do personally think microcars are stupid), I’m saying stuff from the perspective of a guy whose loved ones are blocked out of this perfect ‘utopia’ envisioned by the ‘fuck cars’ crowd that seems to think everything will be perfect for everyone if we just got rid of all cars. No, there are those of us who’ll be cut off from being able to live independently.
I’m all for a healthier mix of transportation and I do think we need to start designing cities and living spaces that are vibrant and healthy for humans, not a sea of gray for quick-moving metal boxes. That said, cars are useful and we should find a way to accomodate them in ways that won’t exclude those of us who really do need them.
That’s all this is about. I’ve said it elsewhere in this thread, but no one wants to eliminate cars completely from the face of the earth (well I’m sure someone does, but that’s not what’s being talked about). They should be a situational tool, not an everyday necessity for everyone. Just because some people need them doesn’t mean everyone should need them.
I’m guessing it’s about the same amount of space as in the rear basket of a bicycle? Because that’s plenty of space if the shops are accessible to visit on a daily basis, which is the case in walkable neighbourhoods.
Yeah, it’s a lot less effort than the suburban car dependent 1 hour shop. You pick up a couple things from the corner store every day. In and out in two minutes. It’s way less intensive
Maybe for you, but making a grocery list and buying stuff in bulk is cheaper and, even for those who live within walking distance to a store, more convenient. It’s also more time-efficient.
And, of course, this is just for groceries; people always shop for other stuff in bulk, during sales, etc.
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People need space to put stuff, and there’s only so much that can be put into a dinky-ass microcar’s boot. Not to mention, people travel in groups too.
Guess what kind of transportation has much more space for groups than a car.
Do I need to specify that I’m talking about groups where at least one person has the kind of issues where ‘walk and use trains!’ isn’t a viable solution? Or should such people just not make groups or travel with young able-bodied people?
That’s not what came across in your post. It reads like a blanket argument against public transport and other alternatives, microcars specifically.
I’m not here to make blanket arguments against trains and microcars (Disclaimer: I do personally think microcars are stupid), I’m saying stuff from the perspective of a guy whose loved ones are blocked out of this perfect ‘utopia’ envisioned by the ‘fuck cars’ crowd that seems to think everything will be perfect for everyone if we just got rid of all cars. No, there are those of us who’ll be cut off from being able to live independently.
I’m all for a healthier mix of transportation and I do think we need to start designing cities and living spaces that are vibrant and healthy for humans, not a sea of gray for quick-moving metal boxes. That said, cars are useful and we should find a way to accomodate them in ways that won’t exclude those of us who really do need them.
And no microcars please.
That’s all this is about. I’ve said it elsewhere in this thread, but no one wants to eliminate cars completely from the face of the earth (well I’m sure someone does, but that’s not what’s being talked about). They should be a situational tool, not an everyday necessity for everyone. Just because some people need them doesn’t mean everyone should need them.
That sentiment is something we can both agree on.
I’m guessing it’s about the same amount of space as in the rear basket of a bicycle? Because that’s plenty of space if the shops are accessible to visit on a daily basis, which is the case in walkable neighbourhoods.
lol you’re expecting someone who has trouble walking to shop for groceries daily?
Yeah, it’s a lot less effort than the suburban car dependent 1 hour shop. You pick up a couple things from the corner store every day. In and out in two minutes. It’s way less intensive
Maybe for you, but making a grocery list and buying stuff in bulk is cheaper and, even for those who live within walking distance to a store, more convenient. It’s also more time-efficient.
And, of course, this is just for groceries; people always shop for other stuff in bulk, during sales, etc.