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Hi all, I’m the LibreWolf windows dev:)

This recent video seems mostly about not wanting to use ddg due to the current political climate…

  • beta_tester@lemmy.ml
    7·
    3 years ago

    Hi opalraava! Thx for your work

    Is that a question?

    • If so, he states that he is concerned that ddgo would start deanonymising people which is currently bs (afaik).
    • he states that ddgo probably puts malware into the search engine. What? Seriously?
    • moreover, he said “since they got exposed”. Ddgo or librewolf? Probably ddgo, ddgo publicly announced the deranking of rt. They were not really exposed.

    I really wonder why you shared his video? How did you even get to see that video?

      • opalraava@lemmy.mlOP
        1·
        3 years ago

        I think it’s positive to see what people think of the project, if and how they use it, and what they report experiencing the app.

      • fishonthenet@lemmy.mlM
        1·
        3 years ago

        This makes me question the entire Librewolf project. If opinions are formed based on random YouTube creators, how can we trust any decision made on Librewolf?

        I watched the video now, and while I get that the stuff said in it doesn’t make sense I fail to understand what made you assume that we form opinions based on youtube videos. if you want to know how you can trust the decisions check gitlab and see how everything is documented and researched properly.

        • DengueDucky@lemmy.ml
          1·
          3 years ago

          The reply below from @opalraava@lemmy.ml, combined with sharing this video, is what makes it sound like opinions are formed from YouTube videos.

          it’s a topic I hear more often so it’s not completely crap. Mental Outlaw, a much more serious Youtuber, also denounced ddg.

          Source

          Meaning, a bit of information isn’t complete crap, if you hear it often from YouTubers.

    • opalraava@lemmy.mlOP
      33·
      3 years ago

      I shared it because it’s a recent video, and I wanted something to say ‘hi’ with:) But it’s a topic I hear more often so it’s not completely crap. Mental Outlaw, a much more serious Youtuber, also denounced ddg.

      • beta_tester@lemmy.ml
        52·
        3 years ago

        Are you serious? I don’t care how popular someone is. I can create my own view of the world.

        It looks like you are supporting the butchering of ddgo. What’s your suggested alternative? Brave search?

        • opalraava@lemmy.mlOP
          12·
          3 years ago

          Well gosh, you read a lot into my motivations based on a Hello World post. Thanks for that. Note to self: YouTube video’s with people sharing their opinion is evil on Lemmy. Also, don’t discuss search engines, or basically anything else here.

              • Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
                61·
                3 years ago

                Brave Search is also nonFLOSS and we could also argue that with a client using Facebook API, Facebook could be used without JavaScript.

                • beta_tester@lemmy.ml
                  31·
                  3 years ago

                  This all doesn’t matter. It’s not about brave here. If a dev of a well respected privacy browser (librewolf) shares a video where someone talks straight bs you need to question why he shares it.

                  If you share something online, this is either just for fun, or you follow an agenda. If a dev of librewolf shares criticism about ddgo, he supports it. If he wouldn’t support it, he wouldn’t have shared this exact video. A video with 0 views and where someone talks most of the time about ddgo and not librewolf. This leads to the conclusion that he’s not happy about the decision that ddgo is the default browser search engine. Hence, he wants an alternative, and some people scream for brave search to get rich with their monopoly money. That’s why I asked if brave search is the alternative.

                  There is no other alternative. Startpage uses google’s results and each search query gets directly send to google. If you use it instead of google, you won’t contribute to lowering google’s power and in the long run a better world. Qwant? Is on a good way but it’s partly owned by Axel Springer. And having google is probably better than if Axel Springer is in charge of delivering the worlds search results. Mojeek? If you want to search for something you can’t find anywhere else, it’s great. But not for every day.

                  There’s nothing left here. We are all stuck with ddgo.

                  Noone likes that ddgo censores rt but it gets its search results from bing so you always have microsofts censoring and noone cares about that either. If you want rt, you go directly to their website, or subscribe to the rss feed. If you search for news specificly from rt, you type Site:rt.com RandomString and you’ll still get your desired results. Anyone can shit on ddgo that they did it, but if you are in the position that has an impact you always think twice before positing controversal stuff regarding your own product.

                  Btw choosing brave search as a search engine for librewolf is a bad idea because that’ll only lead to people using brave in the long run. Because most people don’t make educated decisions and they’ll stick to what they see every day, i.e. brave, even though it’s worse than librewolf.

                  • fishonthenet@lemmy.mlM
                    5·
                    3 years ago

                    Btw choosing brave search as a search engine for librewolf is a bad idea because that’ll only lead to people using brave in the long run

                    I’ll leave the rest to others as I haven’t watched the video nor I followed well enough the discussion between you, @opalraava@lemmy.ml and @Echedenyan@lemmy.ml.

                    regarding this tho, I wanted to say that we used to have brave in the search engine list, and it was then removed in order to reduce the length of it, and keep only what’s essential. the list is already pretty long as right now, so I don’t think it’s coming back anytime soon, leave alone making it default. IIRC we decided the same day as the news came out that we were going to stick to DDG and just not give a fuck about everything outside of privacy, users can always change to what they like.

                    I personally would have loved to have searx as default but forcing users to default to a particular instance is a bad move imo. we still include it tho, as the project deserves attention. if we had more people helping maybe we could have setup a librewolf instance of some kind, but it is what is :-)

                  • Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
                    13·
                    3 years ago

                    You have MetaGer as metasearch engine which can be configured to use its own crawler if self-hosting or InfinitySearch which has several versions and has its own crawler by default plus other indexes. Both FLOSS.

                    The last one needs self-hosting or payment involved. There is other version which is decentralized too.

                    About “product” in the sense you explain there, no. I stop reading when someone start using that for describing anything and is not in the sense of simple result of work but in the commercial sense as which inviting people to use something and earn audience (even if money is not involved directly).

                    BTW, I was just showing jorgesumle their error in their assumption there.