I want to state up first I get it, I’m on the right side, most of these men are awful, and every man-o-sphere influence is awful. Andrew Tate belongs in a 6 foot deep hole, or a hole in the back of his head. Joe Rogan should be sent to the Hague.

But when dudes complain, even about genuine issues, we have a tendency to just attack them for it. If a guy complains that being short can kinda suck (and it can. More so than just getting girls, it can hurt your career and everything.) People, even leftists, tend to just call them a sad manlet or something. Same thing with dudes complaining they can’t get a girlfriend, are they not alienated under capitalism? I’m not saying we have to coddle the incels, but we could do better at presenting a future, a better one, maybe?

The discourse about height, and dick size, are both stupid but here (in this safe space) can I admit that there’s a point to both? They affect people, it’s a real thing.

And back to the Joe Rogan’s, I feel bad that men and boys get sucked into that. I have some pity for them, these desperate losers.

Anyways, Im sure I’m going to think this is dumb, but I just can’t help but feel like there’s a gigantic community of extremely disaffected people that while I mostly loathe, I also really feel bad for. I don’t think it would’ve taken much to push me there, I grew up in a good environment with some good role models, but without that, left to the wolves, I’m as susceptible to the grifters as everyone is.

  • HoChiMaxh [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    This isn’t like my issue or anything, but from afar it does seem frustrating that there are legitimate grievances in the men’s rights community that are interesting and very compatible with feminism, but because the community has so many toxic dildos in it discussing any of those grievances serves as a red flag for being an MRA psycho.

    I imagine it is like being a serious academic who happens to have good historical evidence that there was actually only 9 million people who died in the Holocaust, not 12 but you could never actually share your research with anyone because they would just lump you in as a Holocaust denier.

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      this is why conceiving of ‘men’s rights’ as dichotomous or separate from feminism (which is not ‘women’s rights’) is so harmful. legitimate complaints about the standards patriarchy imposes on men are folded into reaction against femmes instead of against patriarchy, the actual instigator