• Victoria Antoinette @lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        it’s a fallacious form of reasoning where claiming that the correlation of events implies causation. “it happened after, therefore it was caused by” as in… veganism increased with policing and surveillance.

        • Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org
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          5 months ago

          Do you really need this one spelt out? Sales declined and then production followed. The goal of the business was to make money so when their product stopped making money they stopped producing it.

          What would you do in the same situation? The logic seems incredibly cut and dry and you keep insisting I need to give you proof, but I’d like to see evidence of the opposite happening to be honest.

          • Victoria Antoinette @lemmy.world
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            5 months ago

            The goal of the business was to make money so when their product stopped making money they stopped producing it.

            but they could have changed their values. they could have decided that the goal was not to make money, but to cover the earth, nay, the solar system with vcrs. but they didnt. they chose other values, and tried to act in a way that would uphold those values. they choose the values. they choose the action. i have no resposibility for others choices in this regard.

            • Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org
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              5 months ago

              Look, I enjoy uncertainty, too. I’m a silly little teacup orbiting Jupiter agnostic joker. But there are times when you can predict with a fair degree of certainty what’s going to happen. If you were being completely honest with yourself you would admit that enough people going vegan would probably have a noticeable effect on the animal agriculture industry. And yes, admittedly neither of us know if that’s true or not. But either way I’m not going to give that industry my money because I’m pretty sure they’re just going to use it to keep killing animals.

              I’m not judging what you do, but be honest with yourself, the money you give them is probably going to go toward killing more animals. Maybe they’ll change their mind and all decide to stop tomorrow, but until then I will keep trying to disincentivise them the way I’m most certain will work.

              And if you do actually care about the treatment of animals please reconsider whether or not you have an impact.

              • Victoria Antoinette @lemmy.world
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                5 months ago

                enough people going vegan would probably have a noticeable effect on the animal agriculture industry.

                certainly, but perhaps not the effect you are expecting. your assertion that you know what their reaction would be, and that it would be to accept making less money, is just not likely true.

          • Victoria Antoinette @lemmy.world
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            5 months ago

            I’d like to see evidence of the opposite happening to be honest.

            gladly. despite the high value of faberge eggs, no more are produced. despite the high value of epipens, enough have not been produced to make them affordable to all who might want one. of course, this doesn’t actually quantify demand, and i’m still not sure how that can be done.

            edit:

            despite no demand for iphones in 2004, they were subsequently produced.