Will Reddit get quality replacements? “Not a snowball’s chance in hell.”
This is like an incel posting on a dating site after calling all women whores.
That’s a pretty good analogy, only he would have to specify that he still considers all women to be whores in his bio to be completely accurate.
Honestly though, it’s desperate. I don’t even want to know what’s become of Accidental Renaissance ‘Under New Management’, I’m glad the original team are here though
I never actually saw it on reddit but am subscribed here.
The solution is super simple… PAY THEM. You want volunteers that act like employees in your billion dollar IPO? Pony up the cash or GTFO.
They won’t pay mods, because then they’d have more liability. It’s all kinds of fucked.
Reddit is destroying itself slowly, painfully, and publicly. Anyone with a grudge against reddit should be delighted by how things are going.
Are you telling me that moderating is a shitton of work, and that the only people crazy enough to put in that much effort are simultaneously gonna be pissed off about Reddit crippling their ability to do that work?
And that new fresh faced moderators are suddenly being faced with a pile of trash and told to have at it, totally unequipped for what faces them?
Shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
The final straw on my reddit use was getting banned for a week, from some innocuous semi sarcastic comment I made. Had to reread it like 12 times to make sure that is what I got banned for. The mods are clearly overwhelmed. I almost want to make some burner accounts and go report a bunch of people, say some nasty stuff just to ad to the shit show. It’s super obvious over there how much worse the mod situation is if you just read some comments.
I once got a permanent ban for threatening violence
I was writing a satirical post from the perspective of Dracula and saying I love drinking people’s blood
Work for free. Do as you’re told. Have everyone hate you.
It’s like a masochists dream.
The replies to their other posts asking for mods are pretty hilarious.
I am glad to see someone knowledgeable is likely to take over /r/canning. People can get sick or die if things are preserved incorrectly.
But didn’t you know unpaid labor, they’re suckers, “jannies” (as if doing a necessary service nobody else wants to do is insult-worthy instead of commendable), free labor they are so pathetic!11 I’m certainly not going to subject myself to being the first line of defense against trolls spamming NSFL of, so I’m grateful people are willing to do that to make a nice space for people like me. Not disdainful.
Nevermind some communities are like /r/canning where you probably want to avoid legitimately harmful disinformation. It’s definitely a person on a power trip who won’t abandon being a dirty jannie for a taste of power. Fucking bootlicker, living with the reality that people will continue to go to Reddit for information and continuing to remove disinformation instead of letting all the people who still oh my god, use Reddit get misinformed and die from bad preservation techniques. Why not just write a post about leaving and leave Reddit, then? Because a pinned post about where they left for is almost certainly going to be unpinned and deleted by a new moderator that Reddit installs. Also, if it’s unpinned but not deleted, not everyone is going to scroll back far enough to read “hey, we all left Reddit”. Yes, I know, double check your sources when your life could be at risk. Would still rather not be a bad source.
I just wish people could stop with the namecalling. Yes, powertripping mods exist. Not everyone who stayed on Reddit is an awful person.
on r/longhair:
(warning for Reddit link, the front end I used to use to deny them hits no longer works)
Stuff like this is why some mods stayed in instead of going private. r/longhair stayed private instead of giving in and got their entire mod team removed. I respect their dedication but I think you can see why some people would want to stay on instead of getting removed: knowing they can avoid letting bad actors in as a consequence of getting replaced by someone who doesn’t care and will do nothing about users getting harassing PMs or comments, or actively wants to, say, turn r/longhair into a fetish community or some sub for a marginalized community into a place for porn of them.
are you… are you speaking english?
Yeah, was it the run-on sentences that made my post confusing? It’s something I’ve been noticing more and more often in my own posting.
Or was it the unhinged and disconnected copy of a lot of nasty things people say about those who choose to stay on Reddit? I didn’t try to make those too sensible and understandable. I typed the post you replied to in a fit of emotion and it was a big mistake. I’m getting better at not posting when angry, but I’m still not perfect. I get really frustrated.
People say “kbin is so nice” but then there’s the same namecalling of people you don’t like instead of an attempt to understand and sympathize with them. To be clear, when I talk about people not understanding and sympathizing, I’m talking about namecalling mods here. It happens in this very thread, unironically, not like me doing it as a mocking callout of people who do that (and I really shouldn’t have resorted to that, I don’t like being able to truthfully say I’ve mocked people). There has been an influx of alt-right types here which is definitely not nice, and I want to clarify that I am not asking people to sympathize with alt-right perspectives. (It’d be nice for people to understand how regular humans might end up there though. Not everyone supporting the alt-right started out that way, and it would be great to get people out of the alt-right.)
My perspective is also likely borne out of my own personal experience. I usually stay in my small niche communities and have never experienced a power-tripping mod. (The only reason I’m here is because kbin does not respect the fact that I asked my default view to be Subscribed. It shows me All upon login. I logged in. This post was in All. I clicked it. Bad choice, always leads to me getting angry.) This may be why I react strongly to “all mods are power trippers” or “most mods are power trippers.” In my experience, mods have always been people taking on the necessary but unpleasant duty of removing hate, harassment, and NSFL images. People doing something I, an oversensitive person, would never want to do because I do not want to see it in the first place. I’m grateful for this. I also just get very upset when I see namecalling. I was never raised to talk like that, and nobody I talk to resorts to it when we have conversations. I’m also lucky enough to never have been bullied. So I haven’t ever had to develop a “thick skin” against it. I’ve never been treated that way and do not see why other people should have to get treated that way either.
I understand intellectually my experience may not be the dominant one, but surely not every community others have interacted with had a power-tripping mod? I think the good ones tend to be invisible. They do their work behind the scenes and don’t stir up any controversy, so you don’t notice them. You just browse the community and talk in it. You usually don’t get your posts and comments removed either, and so you have no interaction with the mods. The bad ones receive a lot of publicity, and humans tend to remember negative events more than positive events, so they make more of an impression on you. Now every mod seems to be a power-tripper, because you don’t remember the good ones.
My favourite is the person at MFA who has seen many communities disintegrate and resolve and wants to see it happen on MFA. Quickly followed by the one who claims to be a former MFA mod who wants to institute penis inspections.
[Reddit spokesman Tim] Rathschmidt added that Reddit’s Moderator Code of Conduct “isn’t just about what mods can and cannot do; it’s also about protecting our users’ right to assemble and discuss topics they’re passionate about.”
You do not have a right to assemble on a privately owned platform, regardless of what the mods do.
Especially after they cracked down on the protests like they did.
They do if spez says they do, as you said - private platforms make their own rules
Ha, good luck with that, Reddit.
Wahh! I’m a $5.5 billion dollar company and I need hundreds of people to do unpaid labor for me in order for me to be successful and sell stocks! Won’t somebody think of the shareholders?
Mods who do what Spez wants most likely.
Pretty much guaranteed at this point. Only a true bootlicker would sign up for this work at this point. Or someone who just hasn’t been paying attention for the last few months.
In the 2nd case they’d probably see reddit’s true colours and run pretty early on though…
Sorry Spez, buggers can’t be choosers. You have two options: volunteer mods with autonomy, or employees paid to do your bidding.
they can’t pay people to do modding, because then they lose their safe harbour. They’re basically fucked.
I don’t think this is entirely accurate, as sites like Facebook and YouTube have had large mod teams on their payroll for years and still have safe harbor protections for user created content.
What I could see happening in this case, is safe harbor protections no longer applying to accounts with mod privileges, possibly even those who aren’t being paid. If Reddit started paying mods, it could be reasonably argued that mod status constitutes an endorsement / publication by Reddit inc for anything a mod account posts. It would also give anyone working as a volunteer mod cause to sue for unpaid wages.I dunno. It’s hard to separate the two roles of mods. One role is in preventing abuse–posting illegal content, hate speech, etc. But another role is in policing the content for what does and does not fit a forum’s purpose. You can do the first and keep section 230 protection, but the second is inherently and inextricably editorial in nature, and you can’t do that without losing protection. And I don’t think the lines between these are well-enough defined to enable you to make them two separate jobs without getting into trouble. Like, a lot of communities allow a little self promotion, but not spam. Managing that is a ton of work, but probably can’t be a paid role because it’s a judgment call. That sort of thing.
It’s frustrating, because it’s pretty clear at this point that this is one kind of web site that we really want to have exist. But the laws around this are really janky, and trying to revise them is a problem because the debate around them is even stupider than the laws themselves.
Sec. 230 of the CDA should protect them. The only thing they’d be liable for is paychecks which they really don’t want to do.
Always a fun thing to watch, trying to guess what they do to further alienate their unpaid staff
I’ll do it on a 1099 basis for $300/hr. I created a subreddit once and deleted it 5 minutes later, so I have mod experience.
I actually forgot about reddit until this post
They can gladly have a few from some communities on Lemmy back. Mod power tripping is unfortunately rearing it’s ugly head here (not this community specifically). Some absolutely shocking mods on some Lemmy.world communities.
(not this community specifically)
This is a kbin community :P
technically a magazine, but yeah
lol I debated, but it sounded nicer to say community
I get what you’re saying but I’m not sure it really works that way on the fediverse… Could be convinced either way, though.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
So actions have consequences?
Also from the article
And because your Reddit account can be permabanned at any time by Reddit’s Anti-Evil Operations bot with a modest amount of reporting from a number of sockpuppet accounts, you’re not able to tell these people to fuck off and go to hell when they inevitably ask why you’re discriminating against them and their sickening photos.
I did not know that. That’s a horrible system.
I’m also a big fan of the complete tone deafness of Tim Rathschmidt wanting to help mods mod. After they nuked all the apps with the mod tools.
I did not know that. That’s a horrible system.
Mods have complained about this for quite some time, and of course Reddit didn’t care. Of course.
That in turn is indeed entirely expected.
