I generally just go straight to libraries as it’s not designed to trap/bait and it more often than not leads to productive discussions where we are both attempting to gain mutual understanding.
My apologies, I realize it seems I implied you were baiting/trapping, but that wasn’t my intention. That being said I’m sure libertarians get examples like firefighters a LOT and they probably just glaze over and dismiss it as a result. But again, didn’t mean to imply that you were engaging in bad faith and such.
Libraries are a great resource for keeping information free and protecting free speech. I think it’s very reasonable for taxes to be used in ways that benefit the community as a whole, as that serves the people who pay the taxes.
Long, long ago, I was in the LP. I think what really woke me up was actually reading Ayn Rand, and…LOL - [1]. I was also doing lots of other reading of nonfiction at the time, thank goodness and her clunky sci-fi novel was just gawdawful in every single way. Also: growing up helped a lot, too.
I think around the same time, I was looking around at others I could see in the party and realized they seemed to be comprised, yeah, of mostly white males, but also: doomsday preppers, gold bugs, conspiracy theorists (and not the fun Robert Anton Wilson kind), thinly-veiled racists, Republicans that were miffed about some minor infraction they perceived in the Republican Party, and so on…and so I was done.
[1] Yeah, yeah I know all too much about the hair-splitting between Objectivists and LIbertarians. Also, when it comes to what many consider a formative text for their weird philosophy, that old quote is so very true:
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
Objectivists don’t bother me much. No one is raised Objectivist, since Objectivists don’t have children, which means that they become one by thinking about it, you can reason with someone who used reason to convince themselves of a position.
Unlike the short bus philosophy of Lolitarianism which is basically: I am a white het cis teenage male who has never faced real problems in my life, think I am invincible, and dont want to be told what to do. There is something about listening to someone who for 18 years has done nothing but consume resources, been protected from all the problems the rest of the world deals with, then whine about how they had to pay 10% of their salary to taxes.
If you think about it all children clothing is made for kids by kids. Maybe appreciate labor laws and welfare a bit after thinking about the horror of that sentence.
I generally just go straight to libraries as it’s not designed to trap/bait and it more often than not leads to productive discussions where we are both attempting to gain mutual understanding.
It’s not a trap or bait, it’s pointing out that it takes money to use and maintain these things.
My apologies, I realize it seems I implied you were baiting/trapping, but that wasn’t my intention. That being said I’m sure libertarians get examples like firefighters a LOT and they probably just glaze over and dismiss it as a result. But again, didn’t mean to imply that you were engaging in bad faith and such.
It’s because it is a fairly obvious example.
It’d be better to have a response that makes sense instead of ‘glazing over and dismissing it’.
Libraries are a great resource for keeping information free and protecting free speech. I think it’s very reasonable for taxes to be used in ways that benefit the community as a whole, as that serves the people who pay the taxes.
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You mean that the one group of people in the US who have no fear are the ones advocating for a government that protects no one?
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Long, long ago, I was in the LP. I think what really woke me up was actually reading Ayn Rand, and…LOL - [1]. I was also doing lots of other reading of nonfiction at the time, thank goodness and her clunky sci-fi novel was just gawdawful in every single way. Also: growing up helped a lot, too.
I think around the same time, I was looking around at others I could see in the party and realized they seemed to be comprised, yeah, of mostly white males, but also: doomsday preppers, gold bugs, conspiracy theorists (and not the fun Robert Anton Wilson kind), thinly-veiled racists, Republicans that were miffed about some minor infraction they perceived in the Republican Party, and so on…and so I was done.
[1] Yeah, yeah I know all too much about the hair-splitting between Objectivists and LIbertarians. Also, when it comes to what many consider a formative text for their weird philosophy, that old quote is so very true:
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
Objectivists don’t bother me much. No one is raised Objectivist, since Objectivists don’t have children, which means that they become one by thinking about it, you can reason with someone who used reason to convince themselves of a position.
Unlike the short bus philosophy of Lolitarianism which is basically: I am a white het cis teenage male who has never faced real problems in my life, think I am invincible, and dont want to be told what to do. There is something about listening to someone who for 18 years has done nothing but consume resources, been protected from all the problems the rest of the world deals with, then whine about how they had to pay 10% of their salary to taxes.
If you think about it all children clothing is made for kids by kids. Maybe appreciate labor laws and welfare a bit after thinking about the horror of that sentence.
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How many older Catholics do you know? How many older Objectivists do you know?
(in case it wasn’t clear that was a “yes and”)