You can keep punching them if they have proper healthcare to repair the damage.
That’s how I feel about the situation
“Want me to punchisize your face, for free?”
Liter-a-cola? Do we have liter-a-cola?
How about health care for all except Nazis get fucked? That I could get behind.
No, we have to be fair. When the Nazis get their asses kicked for being Nazi scum, they deserve free healthcare like everyone else. I mean the ass kicking should happen to them regularly until they stop being Nazis, so they’re going to need it.
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How about we kick their asses and throw them into a ravine and call the ravine Free Health Care
I have no problem with the first part, but I do think they should receive excellent healthcare if they happen to survive the ravine-kicking so they can be well enough to stand at the edge of the ravine to repeat the process.
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I’m happy when a nazi is hurt because their ideology would have me in a gas chamber. A nazi is happy when I’m hurt because of the circumstances relating to my birth.
Painting this as black and white hides the red on their hands.
Paradox of Tolerance Philosopher Karl Popper described the paradox of tolerance as the seemingly counterintuitive idea that “in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.” Essentially, if a so-called tolerant society permits the existence of intolerant philosophies, it is no longer tolerant.
The paradox says nothing about the ethics of using violence to achieve your ends. You’ve rest of the fucking owl’d them and name dropping Popper doesn’t hide that. Even the word intolerant is ambiguous and you’re using it to do a bait and switch.
They’re arguing that violent means against peaceful people is unethical. Their intolerance: words. Your intolerant response: violence. That’s what they’re asking you to address.
Countless fascists that went on to commit horrific acts of violence achieved power by peaceful means. We know that’s their end goal regardless of how “polite” and “peaceful” they are at the moment.
If you know someone is going to punch you it’s stupid to wait for them to take a swing before you hit them first. A Nazi’s mere existence is a threat of violence.
Connect can suck my dick. I’ve lost two long messages to you because I tried to fucking highlight text.
Conditions aren’t the same as 80 fucking years ago. Nice slippery slope.
And if you’re honest about how you label nazis, they want genocide. The only self-defense to genocide is obvious so don’t hide behind this punching bullshit. You’ve got a lot of illiterate rednecks to roll up on. Have fun.
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Call me old fashioned but I’d rather want to beat the teeth out of a Nazi than be a Nazi.
Progress has always been bought with blood, violence is the only motivator that is actually universally respected, and these Nazis don’t have the same distaste for violence you do. If they reach certain numbers they begin using violence to try and control politics. That has to be actively discouraged to minimize violence, which means people with certain tendencies have to motivated to not be Nazis. The only universally respected motivator is violence, the threat of force is how all governments in the world maintain order. Less violence is needed to prevent the spread of Nazi beliefs than would be created by Nazi beliefs unchecked.
This modern idea that there is no such thing as moral violence is a lie and a tactic. Ignore it and forget it. Violence is a tool. Misusing it is evil. Using it properly, it kills evils.
If you read my other comments further down, you see why violence doesn’t actually convert Nazis, but just antagonise them.
You scared of them getting mad? What then, will you ask pretty please to stop their violence? Or do you seriously think they would listen to any rational explanation of what is wright or wrong?
Pls do correct me, but you sound like a close relative of mine, she’s really really afraid of violence. Most people don’t want to lose their ordinary life, but at the same time there’s not always a nice choice between the nazi and anti-nazis
Please tell me this is just a troll.
I’d love to think all the people who seriously think killing Nazis in peacetime is good are trolls, but there are too many of them, so it seems we all actually believe what we’re saying.
But they are the one want to cause war. Why not harm the ones that actively trying starting a war?
Or do you really think letting them further their goals and recruit more in hope they change in the future?
There are no nazis in peace time.
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So the Allies were the same as the Axis Nazis?
The allies were defending people. Besides that, they did many immoral things, such as killing deserters of their own side. If you hurt Nazis out of spite when they are not posing a threat to yours or other’s lives, then that is not justified.
The U.S. wasn’t defending its people. The U.S. was just fighting Nazis.
yours or others lives
Did you even read beyond the first sentence of my comment?
I know attention spans are short these days, but 4 sentences?
You said the allies were defending people. The purpose of the U.S. in the war was offense, not defense. I’m not sure why you being incorrect about that part of your comment should be ignored just because you wrote other things.
A Nazi will always be a threat to you and yours. The changes they’re forcing through Congress are evidence enough of their disdain for “others”, but you can always research the violence inflicted on their political opponents that they seem immune to if you’d like.
You’re out here undermining the actions of Allies to defend Nazis and you don’t see a problem with your behavior.
Read my other comments and decide again if you think I’m defending Nazis. I realise that things aren’t black and white, and the allies did some bad things too, but I still think what the Nazis did in WW2 was evil. I just don’t think violently assaulting them now, or saying that you want to, will actually convert Nazis to your side, it will only antagonise them further.
It’s an argument in what’s practical.
“If you hurt Nazis out of spite when they are not posing a threat to yours or other’s lives, then that is not justified.”
Correct.
But nazis are, by definition, a threat to other’s lives, so violence against them is always justified.
Read my other reply to a reply to my comment. But I’m worried if we set the ‘threat to lives’ bar too low, when they are not actually killing people, they can do the same, and kill you because you are a potential threat to their lives, or the lives of what they would think are genetically inferior children.
Whatever you decide, it has to go both ways, otherwise is it just a excuse for authoritarian enforcement of whatever your belief happens to be.
Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. Your incapacity to believe them when they show you their ideals is a failure on your part.
A nazi isn’t a race of people, it is a belief held by a person, and beliefs can be changed.
Good, let the threat of death be the motivator for Nazis to change their ideology.
you can take the veil off whenever, nobody here believes you’re anything but a nazi
I don’t really think that I’m going to convince anyone I’m arguing with right now, but I’m hoping that lurkers, and those who might see this in the future, see that not wanting to kill Nazis is actually a valid opinion that exists.
Yeah it’s a viable option for people who love Nazis
You’re not actually worried about that. You’re trying to defend them because deep down inside, you agree with some of the things they say and think Nazism and fascism are legitimate political ideologies when they are not, and never have been.
Now you’re just claiming stuff which you have no evidence for, and that I refute.
Letting a Nazi live is immoral. Don’t ever try to justify their ideology and paint it as okay to be left alone.
Death penalty for mind crime is really immoral in my book.
If you only have thoughts in your head, and don’t act on them, it’s impossible for anyone to know you’re a piece of shit.
And being a Nazi isn’t?
It is. So, should you be on the level of Nazi, or worse?
Do you practice being this stupid or does it come naturally?
I’m not justifying their ideology, and I fully support trying to change their mind and decrease their influence in non-violent ways. Your apparent desire to kill anyone for a belief they currently hold is antithetical to a free and happy society, and ignores how their Nazism may not be a permanent belief, and could be changed through non violent means, such as education, deradicalisation therapy, and general reorganization of society to increase happiness and wellbeing, which would need democratic action to take place.
you are absolutely justifying their ideology, nazi.
How did I justify their ideology? Or are you one of those black and white people that think disagreeing with you about anything means automatically agreeing 100% with your political enemy?
How did I justify their ideology? Or are you one of those black and white people that think disagreeing with you about anything means automatically agreeing 100% with your political enemy?
Your apparent desire to kill anyone for a belief they currently hold is antithetical to a free and happy society,
But theirs doesn’t; their desires are legitimate political beliefs that have to be respected, catered to and appeased while the left even thinking of doing anything in the name of their best interests or even their survival is completely morally unacceptable and needs to be shot down whenever possible.
And when fascists actually do murder people in public, it’s completely ignored by you.
I’m not talking to Nazis right now, but if I was, I would also advocate that they don’t kill, or threaten to kill people, and if it was in real life, encourage them to spend time with people from races they discriminate against, to show them that the people aren’t all that bad.
I’m for less killing all round.
Go on a long walk in the Serengeti and explain to the lions that you won’t fight back, but that them eating you breaks your personal moral code.
Come back and tell us about it.
Could you inform me as to when, exactly, someone whose ideology is based around the sudden and unsupported overthrow of legitimate government through a mixture of public chilling violence and abuse of democratic institutions, in favor of a regime that worships death and war, and believes undesirables should be exterminated on an industrial scale, is NOT a threat to mine or others’ lives?
Punching Nazis is unacceptable because we outsource our violence to the government, and democratic governments must be careful about applying violence to opinions if they wish to retain legitimacy. Not because Nazis aren’t 100% deserving of a beat-down.
They are a potential threat, they are not killing people in the streets. If it got to that, non violent protest would be much weaker. But as it is, we can have a greater impact, and actually change people’s minds rather than just antagonise them and stay inside our respective echo chambers, by using the non violent methods listed in my other comment.
[Nazis] are not killing people in the streets.
Learn something, you ignorant fuck.
They are a proven threat. They DID kill people in the streets. This isn’t a “three strikes and you’re out” situation. Nazis do not get the benefit of the doubt, nor do they deserve it.
They already received like 5+ strikes the first time around, this time they get zero
Nazism is a caustic, violent, hateful ideology that is intentionally and purposefully threatening by its very nature. There is no such thing as a Nazi that doesn’t pose a threat.
Read my other comments about taking non violent action.
Yeah. And then read mine about how any Nazi represents a clear and present danger to literally everyone who is not also a Nazi. They do not get the benefit of the doubt, ever, under any circumstances.
This is what happens when kids grow up in schools where they get suspended for defending themselves from bullies and not just taking it quietly.
Read my comments further down, expressing a desire to kill Nazis doesn’t even work, it just antagonises them further. And Nazis are just ordinary people who got roped into a toxic ideology, they need help, not being antagonised.
And Nazis are just ordinary people who got roped into a toxic ideology
Hard disagree bub, there are definitely some people out there that revel in white supremacy, there is not a tortured victim behind every nazi. Well, maybe there is, literally, but they certainly aren’t the same person.
they need help, not being antagonised.
Perhaps, but help does not mean always using kids gloves on them.
actually it makes you much better than the nazis. nazis all support letting other nazis live.
Ha. Ha. Great joke. /s
Wanting and doing are not the same.
Yes, and? Do you think everyone who subscribes to Nazism has stubbed the toe of a single person, let alone kill someone, let alone commit genocide? Most of them also only want to kill people, and violence is not solved with more violence. That just leads to a warring and unstable society,and an escalation of levels of violence. This can be avoided if you use non violent methods, like those mentioned in my other comment.
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Use violence when they have started WW3. Not when they are peaceful members of society not causing any harm to people. Can’t you see the difference between when they are killing people and when they are keeping to themselves?
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Responding with violence to levels of violence that are manageable and not yet a war will indeed lead to escalation of violence, and possibly a war, but that seems to be what you want, so you have an excuse to kill Nazis. Deescalation of violence should be the left wing mindset when confronted with violence, to try and bring down the violence with non violent means, and make the Nazis realise that gay and trans people aren’t so bad. Otherwise they are perfectly justified in calling left wing people cancel culture and sensitive. We should want to refute those claims, not enforce them.
Why do they get to decide what you think?
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No, you’ve got things the wrong way around. Tolerating Nazis is what makes you no better than a Nazi
I’m going to take a leap of faith here and assume the “need” is for mental health problems and not physical traumas.
When you start seeing unlawful violence as a solution, you have become part of the problem. :/
Violence against people that what to exterminate me is self defence. Opposing that is literally just “I don’t think people should defend themselves against nazis that want to exterminate them.”
Yes, that’s why there’s the qualifier unlawful before violence - usually self-defence is lawful, assuming you are not repurposing the term to suit your agenda.
Fuck the law. When the law conflicts with values it is a moral duty to break it.
