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Edit: every report for these posts goes to me and I’m not taking it down so don’t bother.

    • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I can at least respect that they own the label instead of cowardly insisting they’re not Nazis.

  • BobTheDestroyer@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I get that this is posted on the Antifascism community. But it seems more than a little bit bloodthirsty. And it feels to me like the folks in the comments calling out for hunting/murdering Nazis haven’t really thought that policy through to its logical conclusion. Maybe some are just fantasizing or virtue signaling, but assuming enough are willing to pick up a rifle and pull the trigger where does that lead us? Who decides whether someone is a Nazi? Do they have to be wearing a swastika? Is it enough to just express your contempt for a group that’s a US minority? How much contempt?

    “That’s easy, just shoot the ones with swastikas”

    Okay, so you show up to a flag waving Nazi rally and start shooting. They probably start shooting back. The cops get involved and shoot everybody (well maybe they don’t shoot some of the Nazis). Then what happens? Antifa gets officially labeled as a domestic terrorist organization. All the news outlets talk about how terrible the group is. The FBI starts looking into everyone subscribed to this community, etc.

    “No, everyone knows Nazis are bad. We’d be supported not condemned.”

    Alright, suppose somehow it’s a revolution and the left is rounding up Nazis and guillotining them with full support of cable news. At that point everyone says they aren’t a Nazi. How do you decide? This one talks like a racist, that one lives in an all-white neighborhood, that one is rich. You’re walking really close to the line of becoming fascists yourself. France went through a revolution like that about 150 years ago. There’s a good article about it on the anarchist library website. I think the takeaway is that a reign of terror is still a reign of terror even if the ‘good guys’ are in charge.

    How about, instead of bloody murder, we expunge the Nazis from the police forces, establish a more socially just system of regulations in the US, and make sure anybody who acts like a Nazi gets punished for it by the state? Don’t you think that would be a more effective solution?

  • nick@midwest.social
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    2 months ago

    You going to Akron pride this year? If is bring your flag and I’ll come hang out with you this time :)

          • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world
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            2 months ago

            I generally wait for them to label themselves. They are itching to do so. Only reason they don’t all walk around with their hate symbols on display is because they will damage parts of their lives, like their careers.

            Back in the day, when I went to lots of of metal, punk, and industrial shows, nazis, and other WP assholes, would show up to shows. You had 2 choices, drive them out with violence, or end up with a nazi club. People with these types of ideologies only understand that might makes right, the language of which is violence.

    • Kuori [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      2 months ago

      the groups that nazis target for extermination can’t change who they are. they can’t stop being black or gay or jewish or trans or whatever. but nazis can choose to stop being nazis. that’s why their lives don’t matter. they have made the choice to embrace fascism, an ideology that demands the death of nearly everyone on this planet. until and unless they change their beliefs, their deaths are necessary to protect the rest of us from them.

      it is always morally correct to kill a nazi. every nazi killed is an innocent life saved.

      • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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        2 months ago

        The paradox of intolerance doesn’t exist.

        Tolerance is a social contract, if one side decides to break it, then the other side doesn’t need to honour it either.