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    • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      3 months ago

      Okay, I call shenanigans.

      Some of those comments are still visible, and I find your claim that they violated C/ rules a stretch at best.

      I would hope that you either clarify your rules so that it is much less likely to happen in the future, or that you reevaluate the decisions.

      The worst of the ones still visible to me would require a great deal of hypersensitivity and a nigh maniacal definition of any of the rules as they existed when I just went to look at them. Now, removing those comments, that would make sense. Warning the people that made them, makes total sense, but it would be better to build up the listing of the rules to include some examples, or you’d end up warning more people over time doing it piecemeal like that.

      But bans? I hate to break it to you, but I used to be known for being a harsh mod I’m some ways, and none of those comments merit bans with the rules as they’re currently written.

      But, hey, it’s your C/, do what you want. If you want to exclude any and all dissent, that’s your choice. Just don’t be surprised when the C/ ends up as an echo chamber with little to no activity.

      • Wet Noodle@sopuli.xyz
        1·
        3 months ago

        Yeah I was apparently supporting oppressive systems for stating a prosecutor can’t unilaterally change laws. Dudes on a trip

      • TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
        11·
        3 months ago

        The community has been mostly dead for nearly a month due to a lack of moderation, but before I and the other new mod took over this /c it was very intentionally a space free of people defending electoral politics and pro-capitalist politicians. That requires very active and (in some views) harsh moderation. The new mod team have agreed to continue the tradition of the original head moderator. What you call an echo chamber, I call a safe space for nuanced discussion of leftist and post-leftist politics. There are plenty of other places on Lemmy and elsewhere that are friendly to liberals and other capitalists.

        I will not tolerate people accusing leftists of being Russian bots or assets in this community, and that’s what I handed out temp bans for. If the community thinks my actions were too harsh, they can be reversed.

        The wording of the community guidelines was changed a bit recently by the mod in charge before us, but after the original mod stepped down several weeks ago. Cassa and I have discussed reverting back to the wording of the old rules. We haven’t yet because we didn’t want to be seen as too eager to make changes. We will be considering making these slight changes because I agree with you - clearly spelled out rules will certainly reduce friction on moderation. Especially when moderation needs to be heavy handed.

        • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          3 months ago

          Well, I definitely get wanting a dedicated leftist space for sure. It’s the line between dedicated and echoey that’s harder to pin down. Obviously, that’s a line that has to be determined to some degree on the fly. Kinda hard to predict everything, so there’s always change along the way.

          Me? I see that line being about banning policies. A dedicated space won’t permanently ban a first offense if the rules are vague (and they are here). An echo chamber bans any infractions immediately, no matter how few rules there are, or how clear they are.

          Now, I quit being a mod for anything with chances of getting popular because reddit burnt me out with their fuckery, but I get it. Back at the turn of the century, I moderated a neo-pagan/wiccan dedicated forum. The tools to deal with trolls and bad actors were almost nil, and easy to get around. You ain’t seen fuckery until you deal with christians that think they’re on a crusade lol. All I could do back then was ban a specific account, and had no way to block new ones (wasn’t my site).

          So, I definitely get the need to preserve a dedicated space.

          This is unasked for advice, so no issues if/when it gets ignored. I think the first thing to do, if you’re gong to consult the community about what rules need to be, and the details of policy enforcing them, is get it in front of the community fast. Draw up your plans, post it, and get the feedback before things snowball. With the rules as vague as they are, and federation making it almost certain to bring in regular visitors that are new to not only this C/, but leftist thinking in general, you’ll end up whacking moles left and right. Which is the lot of a mod, but when you have clear rules and policies, the jerks can’t complain when they get banned because it’s right there. The user has the obligation to follow the rules, but when they’re meh, it leaves interpretation room. And that’s a source for drama of the kind that got the C/ boiling recently.