• djsoren19@yiffit.net
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      3 months ago

      I know the term is involuntary celibate, but the “movement” has kinda moved onto any men who believe that a woman is obligated to fuck them. That crowd has picked up on a heavy pro-natal message, and Vance’s disparaging comments about women who don’t have kids plays well there. He might have had sex, but he’s trying to offer those losers a world where they’re on top of the power structure.

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          3 months ago

          philosophically he really really is, in the same way andrew tate (except for thinking he’s hot, which incels don’t do) is.

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              3 months ago

              he’s an incel who got laid. philosophically, psychologically, socially, he still is. he just got his dick wet a few times. as much as they whine about it;the difference isn’t big enough to waste valuable bandwidth defining.

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                There is a big difference in a virgin and someone who fathered children.

                And no I’m not defending him. He’s a total piece of shit. Just not involuntarily celibate even if he shares some views with those who are.

                I mean just as one example of how they’re different: level of sexual frustration.

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                  3 months ago

                  just because he’s fucked, doesn’t mean he’s gotten any better. doesn’t mean he doesn’t hate women any less. probably resents having to fuck one for his public image.

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                    3 months ago

                    And I never implied any of that. Just that it’s silly to call someone a thing with a literal meaning as though words don’t matter. And yes he’s not any better off, just different.

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        I think it’s more than simply being involuntarily celibate. It’s a whole thought process and belief system that places blame outside of yourself which creates a great animosity towards others.

        I wouldn’t call myself an incel, but I sure wouldn’t be passing up sex if I were able to have it. I just don’t blame or hate women for my problems. It’s entirely my fault that I suck lol