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  • yeahiknow3@lemmings.world
    23·
    2 months ago

    The reason for literally every single one of your complaints is public opinion. If you want things to change, you need to change people’s minds. That takes time and effort and it’s incredibly frustrating. I’ve given up trying to persuade people that torturing animals in factory farms is bad. Don’t forget 99% of human history had institutionalized slavery and rape. Most people are hopelessly morally bankrupt, unimaginably stupid, and barely sentient. Still, if you want the world to change, you gotta persuade them. No other option.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      public opinion

      This America…

      It doesn’t matter what the people want. It’s about what the donors want

      Because all Dems have to do is be slightly better than Republicans.

      Which in regards to Israel is “slightly less genocide and we’re pretend we do t like it”.

      Which is better than republicans.

      But we’d get waaay more votes if Dems just didn’t support genocide.

      • yeahiknow3@lemmings.world
        2·
        2 months ago

        It’s about what the donors want

        Yes, but the reason “donors” matter is precisely that their money can sway public opinion. Not the opinion of anyone intelligent, you understand, but that’s still most people.

        we’d get waaay more votes if Dems just didn’t support genocide.

        This is sadly false. Again, public opinion is with Israel for now. That’s reality. Wanna change things? Come up with a way to convince racists and folks with an IQ below 100 that genocide is bad.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          Yes, but the reason “donors” matter is precisely that their money can sway public opinion.

          No. Because the only thing each party needs to do is be slightly one one side of the issue from the other party.

          If you’re a voter in the upcoming US election and you don’t feel like the US president should support genocide…

          Tough shit.

          You literally don’t have an option that wont.

          Public opinion doesn’t come into play except for which side of an issue a politician will land on. With current political strategy the magnitude is inconsequential.

          One bomb less is the “lesser of two evils” there’s no return on going further in the current political system.

          Which is exactly the same.

          Again, public opinion is with Israel for now. That’s reality.

          But only if you include Republicans…

          Similar shares of Democrats and Republicans say the US is delivering the right amount of military aid to Israel, at 28% and 29%, respectively. The parties differ over the level of aid the US is providing, with 42% of Democrats saying the US is offering “too much” support, while 34% of Republicans believe not enough is being done.

          https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/politics/israel-gaza-americans-poll-chicago/index.html

          The people who are hardcore Trumpers that would never ever ever vote D under any circumstances.

          Republican policy is driven on polls of Republicans.

          Dem policy so driven on polls of Americans.

          The result is when a Republican wins, Republicans get what they want. When a Dem wins, Republicans still get most of what they want.

          It’s literally why the Overton window keeps moving to the right

          And it only hurts Dems in elections. And if Dem politicians priotized what Dem voters wanted Republican presidents would be a thing of the past. And lots of “red states” would be blue.

          But we don’t.

          Because what the voters want isn’t what the donors want.