Vice President Kamala Harris likes to portray herself as tough on the border and immigration.
Recent TV ads highlight her time as a “border state prosecutor” who aggressively targeted criminal cartels and drug smugglers, as well as her support for “the toughest border security bill in decades.”
That bill, which failed in the Senate in February and again in May, included $650 million for new border wall construction. Images of the border wall built during the Trump administration are featured in the Harris ads, yet Harris repeatedly criticized the wall over the years, describing it as an affront to both hers and America’s values.
I know Biden wants to codify what Trump used for his ban, but I don’t think Kamala has disclosed her stance on if a president should have the power to unilaterally close the border for all refugees or just a subset.
But that’s why some people can’t pick, because the Democratic party has become significantly more “conservative” since 2012.
So I said the party has become more “conservative” since 2012…
And you quoted something from 2010 and some stuff about the 90s?
Then another link from 2019 before Biden and Kamala?
Like, it’s 2024…
The party has become more “conservative” from 2012.
If we started the clock in the 90s when Clinton was in office, then it would be different. If we started the clock in 2020 after Biden moved the party to the right. It would be different.
I picked 2012 to highlight any gains made under Obama have been erased.
I was implying that is the reason why we still can’t out perform Obama’s 08 and even 12 results.
Hard disagree. 2008 was before the GOP took control of statewide redistricting to gerrymander and maintain power in a bunch of states and cement an advantage that they still have (which took place in 2010). 2012 was just two years into the effort, but the weaker result there is already showing off the results.
The reason for the rightward shift? It’s because of that.
Doesn’t make much sense. Harris did X while the other guy would quadruple that (or worse than quadruple), so the other guy is the better option?
Like, you have a legitimate argument why Harris isn’t as good as, say, Sanders or AOC, but why would this give support to someone even worse on the subject?
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/kfile-harris-border-wall-asylum-contradicts-progressive-immigration-positions/index.html
I know Biden wants to codify what Trump used for his ban, but I don’t think Kamala has disclosed her stance on if a president should have the power to unilaterally close the border for all refugees or just a subset.
But that’s why some people can’t pick, because the Democratic party has become significantly more “conservative” since 2012.
My god your penchant for historical revisionism is insufferable:
Also: https://www.npr.org/2019/02/19/694804917/democrats-used-to-talk-about-criminal-immigrants-so-what-changed-the-party
Also: https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/both-white-and-nonwhite-democrats-are-moving-left/
Also: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-democrats-have-shifted-left-over-the-last-30-years/
Also: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/28/democratic-party-has-moved-left-so-has-us-this-explains-how-why/
So I said the party has become more “conservative” since 2012…
And you quoted something from 2010 and some stuff about the 90s?
Then another link from 2019 before Biden and Kamala?
Like, it’s 2024…
The party has become more “conservative” from 2012.
If we started the clock in the 90s when Clinton was in office, then it would be different. If we started the clock in 2020 after Biden moved the party to the right. It would be different.
I picked 2012 to highlight any gains made under Obama have been erased.
I was implying that is the reason why we still can’t out perform Obama’s 08 and even 12 results.
Does that make sense now?
i think their relevant point, that in 1996 Clinton set the current anti-immigration policy that is the standard today, is lost in a big wall of text
Yep, came here to say exactly this!
Hard disagree. 2008 was before the GOP took control of statewide redistricting to gerrymander and maintain power in a bunch of states and cement an advantage that they still have (which took place in 2010). 2012 was just two years into the effort, but the weaker result there is already showing off the results.
The reason for the rightward shift? It’s because of that.
Doesn’t make much sense. Harris did X while the other guy would quadruple that (or worse than quadruple), so the other guy is the better option?
Like, you have a legitimate argument why Harris isn’t as good as, say, Sanders or AOC, but why would this give support to someone even worse on the subject?