You will be no better than the people you’ll fight against. I’ve seen it happen on every pro-men subreddit, and if this place isn’t aggressively moderated to dispel hopelessness, negativity, and prejudice, it’ll just turn into hate.
Incel, mens-rights activist, red-pill, black-pill, MGTOW, etc. don’t let the haters join otherwise this community will end up just like the aforementioned.
Egalitarian from a male perspective is what we should be, not pro-male (I say male because of sex and gender).
Be excellent to each other.
Does that mean that the men’s movement has to be misogynist?
No, the men’s movement doesn’t have to be misogynist, and in essence it isn’t. Except for some bad apples.
The feminist movement also doesn’t have to be misandrist, but it has always been that. With some positive exceptions.
Just look at the 1848 Declaration of Sentiments, one of the founding documents of the movement, which blames men in general and demonizes them as tyrannical oppressors. The misandry starts right there.
In contrast, the men’s movement has always promoted equality.
I disagree and think that’s a biased view. Women are just human, like men, and fall prey to the same problem of “bad apples”. To date, I have only met one brainwashed feminist, a few engaged feminists, and way more passive feminists. The same applies to men. Online though… it’s very much the opposite.
That’s only the benefit of time. Back in 1848 things were very very different. There are probably very few movements started by the disenfranchised back then that could have even started in a civil manner.
Yes, most certainly. But I wasn’t talking about women. I was talking about an ideological movement. Don’t confuse women as a gender with feminism as an ideological movement. Feminists often pretend to speak for all women, but that’s not how this works.
No, not really. Feminism may have refined their theories and reworded their ideas, but they still blame men in general for society’s woes. It’s just misandry repackaged.
See for example this very even-handed article by Cathy Young: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/30/feminists-treat-men-badly-its-bad-for-feminism/
That’s how a trojan horse works. Most people who call themselves “feminists” have only passing awareness of what institutionnal feminism is up to, but they do support it anyway, imagining that feminism = equality, and therefore must be good.
Institutionnal feminists, the ones who matter, the ones who get laws passed, are horrible, terrible, no good people who have just last month legislated in my own country that it’s more of a problem if a woman gets killed than a man, even though 2/3 of murder victims are men, just like everywhere else. Now by law more ressources have to go into investigating “femicides” than other homicides, and “experts” (feminists) have to be involved, making criminal enquiries biased by law. Love for my son to grow up in that world.
So apologies, but a “non-brainwashed” feminist is to me exactly, and I do mean exactly, like a “non-brainwashed” nazi. Doubly evil. Once for supporting evil, a second time for being too lazy to inform themselves on what they are supporting.
No, feminist groups are more hateful online as well.
Are you saying that I can’t despise contemporary feminism without also hating women? Because I reject that concept.
as you should, it’s bullshit whataboutism
Funny how they can’t point out any actual misogyny here besides “oh if you’re against a supremacist hate movement, that makes you misogynist! The sub is misogynist by default if you don’t accept and approve of the gender hate group!”
No. Your comment could lead one to believe that you were saying “if they can do it, why can’t we?”
Defining contemporary feminism by those who take the stage to say stuff like “stop mansplaining”, “men can’t be raped”, and “men should be paid less to reduce the gender pay gap”, would be like defining conservatives by those who call out to “shoot immigrants at the border”, “Arbeit macht frei”, and “you’re just a snowflake”.
Or defining the men’s rights movement by those who say “women are the problem”, “she’s just a plate”, “you’re such a soyboy”.
If that is the only lens we use to describe others, we will see enemies everywhere.
False equivalence, because the former are things definitely said and defended widely by feminists in positions of power. E.g. “men can’t be raped” is literally what Mary P. Koss said, who is behind the statistics published by the CDC and used by for example RAINN to completely dismiss the issue of men being raped by women.
Nobody serious within the men’s rights movements says those things. Again, false equivalence. And please don’t confuse TheRedPill with the men’s rights movement.
Ironically, the type of feminism that you are defending broadly defines the mens rights movement as misogynistic and hateful. That’s what contemporary feminism is: More devoted to pwning men than to seeking equality. I do not see enemies everywhere, but I do see contemporary feminism as an ideology that desires to deny my human and civil rights.