• Allonzee@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    societal collapse

    Ah yes, that thing that has us laboring to chase meaningless plastic crap we’re brainwashed into needing instead of growing our own food and maintaining our own shelters as small, purposeful communities, all so the owners of this society can siphon our energy while poisoning the earth, all to live like wannabe gods above us.

    No more penis Space tourist rockets? What a loss…

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      3 hours ago

      I dont think you would like what comes after societal collapse. It’s easy to pin society as just capitalism, but collapse will mean more than just the economic system. Democracies will collapse and entire regions will cease to exist. Food scarcity and mass migration will result in extreme regimes that will defend their territory, and a bunch of nomads who have to live with the constant worry of where the next food and freshwater source is. Not to mention the constant fighting over geopolitical issues (imagine current day scaled up exponentially)

      Yes, we should fix our economic system, but societal collapse is not an end result we ever want.

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        2 hours ago

        I think what you’re describing is the state we need to be in if we’re going to survive.

        We now know what happens when a creature evolves a trait that allows it to eventually gain mastery over the resources of its world, like so many a parable, we become drunk on it and have brought ourselves to the brink of self-destruction, uninterested in the plight of the other life on Earth, and even one another’s plights.

        Yes, for less than 10 human lifespans we have used industrialization to make more than we need and live in relative decadence as we’ve moved away from our natural state, and in doing so, have already altered the climate for MILLIONS of years for all creatures here. The earth will recover. Life will recover. But on its timeframe, not ours.

        What you are describing as features are burning out our species and setting up the conditions to make physically fragile surface life like us have no ground to go to. The solution offered, as always is growing/metasisizing on worlds we didn’t evolve on, that unlike Earth has no tolerance for error, and no virtuous, redundant systems for recycling our water, air, or waste. If we couldn’t find equilibrium here, that is a bad joke at best, and more likely just a confidence scheme at worst. Either we find equilibrium here, or we go extinct.

        I’m sorry, if we want to survive and have a future as a species, We need to work within the natural systems we evolved to survive within, not look for wasteful cheats with a dream of getting fat in hoverchairs watching holovids. Hunting for meals gives those meals meaning. Being one step ahead of death gives life meaning. Meaning, that thing so many people are killing themselves over not having in making capital for the pharoahs in exchange for fastfood and social media.

        I don’t see the shame or the horror in being knocked back to what we always were having proven we’re too irresponsible, shortsighted, and above all selfish to be more than without unleashing real horror upon the life of this world when the very air we all breathe turns on us: scattered hunter gatherers that number in the millions, not billions.

        But if that isn’t enough, and given our temperament it won’t be, the 3.8 billion year old living Earth will handle us, not unlike trees of the carboniferous period, another runaway mutation the Earth’s climate eventually checked and recovered from.

        You can prioritize the cozy comfort of your immediate surrounding generations, or you can prioritize humanity’s continued existence for more than another generation or two. I know I’m the weird one more concerned with the larger story than a single frame.