• MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    I said

    maybe you should reflect on that a little

    Why are you escalating this to insults?

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      2 months ago

      Because your self-righteous claim to have “ongoing genocide … at the top of [your] ‘what I’m concerned about’ list” is hollow and smug. Your only concern seems to be turning people off of one very specific candidate, as though the other realistic alternative would be better for your stated anti-genocide cause. (Pro tip: It’ll be worse.)

      You are espousing fascism, wittingly or not.

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            2 months ago

            The classic non-fascist position of telling people to stop being so concerned about genocide

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              https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/15/biden-israel-weapons-policy-00158210

              Legally, the U.S. can’t cut Israel off completely. Since 2008, the U.S. has had to weigh all arms sales to Israel and other countries in the region against the requirement that Israel maintains a “qualitative military edge” against all enemies, both state and non-state actors.

              https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4669080-house-passes-bill-undo-bidens-weapons-freeze-to-israel/

              Ah, House Republicans passed a bill to “undo Biden’s weapons freeze to Israel,” but I don’t think it did anything in the Senate.

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              … as though the other realistic alternative would be better for your stated anti-genocide cause. (Pro tip: It’ll be worse.)

              I’ve said elsewhere, we have FPTP and the electoral college. This makes for a two party system, with the scales tipped in favor of the right.

              This is a binary choice. Either Harris will win, or Trump will win. Failing to vote for the one you hate least is essentially the same as putting the one you hate most into office.

              This isn’t fair, it’s fact. It shouldn’t be this way, but it is. If you want it to be different, then we need ranked choice voting, and a few more states need to get on the NPVIC. If you want it to be different, which administration do you think will allow you to campaign for those changes? If you want to end genocide, which administration do you have any chance of doing that with?

              You may not remember, but politics in the US hasn’t been this weird in my lifetime, and I’m old. But you know what? You’re in California, Louisiana, Illinois, Utah? – you vote however you want. Ain’t gonna make a difference; those states and plenty of others are on lock. PA, MI, WI, NC, GA, AZ, NV: voters in those states are going to make the difference this time.

              Oh yeah, did you also know that the arms deals from the US to Israel are an ongoing thing, for a long, long time, passed by Congress? And that the president has limited ability to do anything about them? And that Biden wanted to pause at least one of those shipments? And that House Republicans didn’t let him? (I’ll find a source on this in a bit.)

              That whole thing isn’t something that a president can just wave a magic wand and change on a whim, I mean, unless the president is a fascist, but that’s a hell of a dice roll.

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                Being really concerned about my government providing the means for genocide and publicly defending the genocidal state on a regular basis is not complicated and doesn’t require a wall of text.

                I don’t care about the dissertation you wrote. I’m mad about thousands of babies being slaughtered. If you can’t understand that maybe you should reflect a little

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                  If you can’t be bothered to read, then why are you here?

                  (Was that short enough, or do I need to make it shorter?)

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                    You aren’t going to change their opinion, especially not by being condescending.

                    Is this just performative or are you actually upset?

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                Oh yeah, did you also know that the arms deals from the US to Israel are an ongoing thing, for a long, long time, passed by Congress? And that the president has limited ability to do anything about them? And that Biden wanted to pause at least one of those shipments? And that House Republicans didn’t let him? (I’ll find a source on this in a bit.)

                Biden bypassed congress to send more weapons than what congress approved.

                There are numerous laws already in place that make these arms shipments illegal, including the Leahy Law, the Arms Control Export Act, and the U.S. War Crimes Act. Biden has failed to enforce any of them, because he’s a lifelong diehard Zionist who’s fully supportive of what’s happening there.

                You are spreading misinformation, whether knowingly or unknowingly.