• _bcron_@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    We can guarantee there’ll be no Ukraine and no Gaza if Trump takes office. Coin flip if he randomly decides to hulk smash Iran to show the world he’s a big tough guy with the best bombs (which would inarguably lead to far-reaching ramifications).

    Best thing that could happen if they changed their stance re: Israel is that Trump can now claim he’d do it sooner and the blood of countless Palestinians is on their hands, and that they’re only trying to score political points by turning their back on their allies, and that they’re flip-floppers that are incompetently throwing spaghetti noodles at the wall. This would get Benghazi-ed so damn hard.

    Trolley problem

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      13 hours ago

      Trump may win election because he is more progressive on Ukraine. Only path to Ukraine existing with Odessa, until a referendum, is peace. It is Biden/Harris neocons that want to diminish Russia to the last Ukrainian.

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        12 hours ago

        Trump may win election because he is more progressive on Ukraine.

        More “progressive” by… giving Putin what he asks for?

        If Trump wins, Ukraine can both say goodbye to any support from the US and watch as Trump lifts sanctions against Russia and turns a blind eye to any arms manufacturers that want to make a quick buck by selling to both sides.

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          11 hours ago

          The only deflationary policy whatsoever Trump has is peace in Ukraine. Everything else ruins the country. That said, the Ukraine war is extreme evil and of zero benefit to ordinary Americans. Russia doesn’t buy arms from US, and Ukraine only accepts gifts. Russia is only side in this war that has ever offered reasonable peace. Provocation and disinformation was deliberate.

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            10 hours ago

            Trump doesn’t want peace. He’s a narcissistic wannabe oligarch who licks the boots and sucks the toes of people he perceives as powerful.

            Whatever momentary “peace” comes out of his hypothetical second term is a consequence of dropping any and all support for Ukraine and backing away from defense treaties. He can and will give a plausibly-deniable green light for Russia to do whatever they see fit to “end” the war and annex neighboring countries. That’s not peace—that’s the setup for decades of violent revolutions with even more violent responses.

            Russia is only side in this war that has ever offered reasonable peace.

            Right, so: if I mugged someone and stabbed them, then offered to not stab them again if they let me keep their wallet and threw in their car keys as well, that’s peace?

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              Ukraine can get the same peace deal they signed at start of war, and were told prior to war. Just with less land than they used to have. It is inhumane to let the nazis have control over regions they hate anyway, and everyone is better off for ending the evil. That Trump/Russia would ally to take more of Europe is a far fetched fearmongering experiment that justified Ukraine’s puppet provocation for the war.

              Trump paid to lick Netanyahu’s toes is a real concern. Doing the right thing on Ukraine peace enables more stupidity elsewhere in the world.

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        12 hours ago

        That’s a weird way of saying Trump supports Russian imperialism and will encourage genocide in Ukraine in addition to the genocide in Palestine.

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          11 hours ago

          No genocide in Ukraine. Liberated regions will stay Russian, no NATO path, neutrality commitment. Can trade with EU/US if it wants, though Russia has expressed resistance to this. Likely referendums for what country oblasts wish to join, though Ukraine would resist this latter point, but just betrays what hated nazis they are in east and Odessa. Peace.

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            Liberated regions”
            “No NATO”
            “What hated nazis they are in east and Odessa”
            “Russia is only side in this war that has ever offered reasonable peace”

            How many rubles are they paying you to write this? If it’s more than zero, they’re overpaying. Nothing says subtle social media propaganda campaign like using Russian talking points.

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              Pro war people do it for love apparently, despite oligarchy profiting extensively and able to pour some trickle down on you, but no one can ever be against the human suffering and economic destruction, just at home, caused by warmongering evil without being paid to not support the demonism.