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Thank you for this community. Back when I first joined Lemmy I missed niche communities. Today I found CunkPosting and I feel complete.
And every time you add cream to a carbonara, you can count on people from the country that invented fascism to complain about cultural purity.
How dare you link spaghetti with fascism?
Have you ever shared a kitchen with an italian?
Oh god, the flashbacks. that motherfucker would set up camp in the goddamn kitchen all fucking night, and talk to his mother for multiple hours.
“let me get some healthy eating done, oh no wait, the italian shithead I live with has occupied the kitchen territories and won’t fucking stop until 1am when he and his shitty gf are going to get into yet anotehr fucking argument”
I should have called the fucking cops on his fucking ass.
What about the entire Rome thing?
They covered it: slave economy, crony merchantislism, private armies and sections of the government, a “private and public partnership” and an untouchable ruling class and a master race (roman citizens).
Its not a coincidence that both facsism and City-state sized capitalism were all founded in Italy.
Greece pioneered a lot of that.
Well, if we take away from Rome the things they stole from Greece, there won’t be anything left.
More seriously though, I mean to the scale that they did and enforcing it on such a large area of the world for so long providing the cultural space for those to develop but I agree, you’re right to mention that.
Not you, I don’t know anything about you, but its funny that ill usually see people being unhappy about the origin of capitalism part but none, not one of those who don’t like it want to know the origins of capitalism. People who are anti capitalist are often curious but the boot licking lot aren’t remotely interested.
Which, to me, says it all really.
The original Romans weren’t too far removed from Greek people, both in geography and ancestry. They’re both Indo-European, and as such shared a lot of the religion and had somewhat similar languages. And Greek people had been settling and colonizing the east coast of Italy for some centuries before rome really got rolling. I think it’s fairer to say they translated a lot of what Greece had going on than just adopted it.
If you look to early Roman history, you can see they straight up lost their shit when confronted with a culture that was totally foreign to them. See the punic wars and the salting of Carthage.
In history, first entrepreneurs were christians… Christianity if not started capitalism, facilitated its development.
Things like “you gotta marry and have kids”, gender inequality, are all principles that go hand in hand in capitalism.
Fascism was literally inspired from Ancient Rome.
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Some inspiration, but only incidentally. Fascism was really Italians wanting to be Romans again. This is why most of the key ideas of Fascism were written out in Latin, or used Latin terms.
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Nazism is a form of Fascism, but Fascism is not Nazism.
Italy fell to Fascism a full decade before Germany did.
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Yes, but the Italians didn’t care about that, because they based Fascism (which they invented) on Roman laws, particularly the Empire period.
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