Translation:

My personal opinion, for those who are interested, is that these two instances (Hexbear and Lemmygrad) are filled with what we call here nazbols, tankies, or even left-wing fascists.

They are primarily authoritarians who like to call themselves leftist, but use the same tools, have the same political vision, the same organization, and politically and historically tend to ally with “official” fascists as soon as a truly revolutionary leftist movement emerges.

I found it tolerable to “do nothing” as long as they stayed in their corners, but I had somewhat forgotten that an authoritarian remains an authoritarian and that the only place they deserve is down a well, not forgetting to strike the hands that try to escape with a big stick.

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  • anansi [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    19·
    11 days ago

    Finally, the idea that it is the Communists siding with fascists, and not the liberals and Social Democrats siding with the facsists against the Communists, is entirely absurd and historically revisionist. From the SPD siding against the KPD and with the NSDAP, to any major historical current, Communists have sided against the fascists.

    I think that you’re ignoring once again on purpose that my critic is not against communists, but against people like you, tankies, that are as communist as the nazis were socialist.

    You tankies allied with the Nazis when you had an interest in doing so, saying the contrary is the actual revisionism. Ever heard of Ribbentrop-Molotov ?

    You also indirectly sided with Franco in Spain by only sending resources to sabotage revolutionary efforts by the anarchist because it was a threat to the communist illusion that you made. That’s also why you purged actual communists, anarchists and other -ist whenever you could. Saying the contrary is also revisionism.

    Anansi, read Blackshirts and Reds. You fundamentally have no idea what Communism and Fascism are, who the Communists and Fascists serve, and their adversarial relationship. This clouds your entire worldview.

    No, I do, and I think you realize that’s the problem.

    You just are not communists, you’re cosplaying.

    I found it tolerable to “do nothing” as long as they stayed in their corners, but I had somewhat forgotten that an authoritarian remains an authoritarian and that the only place they deserve is down a well, not forgetting to strike the hands that try to escape with a big stick.

    Ending it with a call to violence against Communists, a time-honored tradition amongst fascists. In context, Anansi was projecting their own tendencies towards authoritarianism and fascism on the antifascist Communists. Shocker!

    You’ll find the explanation on this in the other comments, which you will chose to ignore or not believe because once again that shows your illiteracy and/or double standards.

    • redtea@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      32·
      11 days ago

      You tankies allied with the Nazis when you had an interest in doing so, saying the contrary is the actual revisionism.

      … wait for it …

      Ever heard of Ribbentrop-Molotov ?

      lenin facepalm

    • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      27·
      11 days ago

      Fuck off with your utopian bullshit. Socialism will only come about by violence. If you doubt this you are a dullard who can’t see the world around him. Utopian socialists have spent 150+ years promising that everything will get better naturally over time and look at the state of things.

      Marx and Engels came up with the term “Communist” specifically to differentiate their idea of socialism from moron democratic socialists and utopian fools like you.

      Go read Socialism: Utopian and Scientific.

    • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      27·
      11 days ago

      I think that you’re ignoring once again on purpose that my critic is not against communists, but against people like you, tankies, that are as communist as the nazis were socialist.

      Yes, I’m ignoring it because you haven’t demonstrated that there’s a difference.

      You tankies allied with the Nazis when you had an interest in doing so, saying the contrary is the actual revisionism. Ever heard of Ribbentrop-Molotov ?

      Yep, fully aware that the Soviets bided their time while trying to get the Western Powers to form an alliance against the rising Nazi threat.

      You also indirectly sided with Franco in Spain by only sending resources to sabotage revolutionary efforts by the anarchist because it was a threat to the communist illusion that you made. That’s also why you purged actual communists, anarchists and other -ist whenever you could. Saying the contrary is also revisionism.

      The Soviets supplied the Anarchists, and you say that helped Franco? Lmao. You’re deeply unserious.

      No, I do, and I think you realize that’s the problem. You just are not communists, you’re cosplaying.

      Read the book, Anansi. You haven’t made any points on us not being Communists and refuse to read literature disproving you.

      You’ll find the explanation on this in the other comments, which you will chose to ignore or not believe because once again that shows your illiteracy and/or double standards.

      I’ve read your justification, it’s more like obfuscation.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        12·
        11 days ago

        Yep, fully aware that the Soviets bided their time while trying to get the Western Powers to form an alliance against the rising Nazi threat.

        This part is so consistently annoying. “dae M-R pact?” Sure, buddy. *BUT WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THAT? WHAT HAPPENED IN THE DECADE BEFORE THAT? WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES LEAD TO A SITUATION WHERE THE M-R PACT MADE SENSE AND WAS NECESSARY?

    • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
      22·
      11 days ago

      Eat a bag of bull dicks, cracker. I don’t believe you’ve read a lick of Parenti in your life; and it’s rich you talk about us ‘allying with Nazis’, didn’t you crackers let them quarter in Paris? Didn’t you crackers give up hella land to them? Don’t you crackers still run cover for them to this day? Boy, if you don’t.

    • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      21·
      11 days ago

      You tankies allied with the Nazis when you had an interest in doing so, saying the contrary is the actual revisionism. Ever heard of Ribbentrop-Molotov ?

      ayoo you can’t be serious saying this 😂, you can try isolating that as much as you want but you should know how WW2 unfolded at this point. This is not different than israelis justifying everything because of Oct7, as if nothing else has happened since or before, get that metaphysical worldview outta here you clown.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      17·
      11 days ago

      people like you, tankies, that are as communist as the nazis were socialist.

      Lul.

      Fuck off. Don’t make me drag out the chart showing that literally every other nation in Europe had some kind of agreement with the Nazis before the USSR finally concluded a non-aggression pact. Or the chart showing how the USSR spent most of the 30s trying to arrange any pact against the fascists with anyone only to be systematically shut out by a Europe that believed the fascists would attack the Soviets first and then the rest of Europe could swoop in and feast on the carcass.

      History happened. We remember even if no one else will. Take this fantasy fiction shit somewhere else, preferably to hell.

      Also, “authoritarianism” is a term with literally no semantic content beyond “Those guys are meanies”. It’s only meaning is to define another party as “bad people” in contrast to one’s own party who are “good people”. There are no definable or stable attributes that distinguish “authoritarians” from any “not-authoritarian” group except the relation of one’s own group to another opposing group. And that opposing “authoritarian” group is often as not a simulacra or confabulation that exists no where but within the cultural views of the “Good guys”.