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- assistive_technology@lemmy.sdf.org
You might recall last month that I posted about my 3D-printed spectacles.
Enough people asked me for the files and for details on how to order lenses and mount them into the frames that I figured I’d release everything with instructions - and also redesign the hinges a bit so the temples fold more compact, something I meant to do for some time.
Thanks for answering my questions.
Sounds like OptiBoard. This makes information so much harder to find! I’m glad you’ve put up stuff on GitHub and here.
I didn’t realize you worked with a lens maker directly and not through an optician. How did you even manage to do that? The labs I found via search engine needs info about whatever store I’m working for before even starting. I can’t even see the order form without, much less get price or products.
How do you get the measurement that the lens maker needs though? Like optical center and distance from pupil to lens. How did you pick the lens’ front surface (a “base curve”)?
How can you check if the lens you get back were made correctly? When something goes wrong and the optician fails to fix it, I can’t really tell what the problem is from just looking at the glasses.
I do have cyl and axis from astigmatism but am currently making and tweaking some non-round lenses.
I’ve been putting trial lenses with no prescription in my frame to simulate the weight and when I slot those in, they don’t move at all. Its actually hard to pull the lens back out. So I’m surprised to read that superglue is sometimes used. Though I can see you don’t want errors to accumulate. I’d also want to avoid gluing them if I can.
Actually, I meant to ask whether the frames slip off your nose. That’s the problem I’m having right now. Without the simulated weight, they’re fine. But with weight, they slip off if I look down. I still have a lot of ideas of things to try to fix this but was wondering if someone else also ran into the same problem.
Very nice. If this works, I should also get lighter glasses. I actually wanted to experiment with different lens sizes. Though I think there isn’t an inexpensive way to do that.
The name rings a bell. Admittedly, I started looking into that stuff well before social media was even a thing 🙂
Sorry I thought you meant to choose frames and for fitting. For that, I do my own, obviously.
But yeah, to order the lenses, I do have to go through opticians. And yes, they did measure my pupillary distance (only once, I’m not a shape-shifter), they do issue the order for the lenses in the correct format and they double-check the lenses when they arrive. Some of them tried to make me pay an extortion fee of $50 or something for bringing my own frames, but considering they wouldn’t be doing any added-value work beyond ordering the lenses for me, I thought that was a bit rich so I went elsewhere.
I did order lenses direct from Hoya once, because I had a friend who worked there. But apparently they found out and my friend told me never again, or he’d be in trouble. So now I go through my local optician when my prescription changes - which isn’t that often: the lady who owns the store knows me well, she’s kind of amused to see my various eyewear contraptions and she knows she’s never going to extract a fortune out of me, but also she doesn’t have to spend any time on me either. So she passes her supplier’s costs onto me almost without any surcharge.
It’s only for round lenses, either in light-fitting frames, for safety in case the screw backs out in metal frames, or in plastic frames because plastic is a bit more slippery. Round lenses typically shift when you clean them with a little too much gusto and it can happen surprisingly easily even in well-fitting frames.
Glue is not ideal but sometimes it’s needed. And obviously it’s never used with non-round lenses that are always naturally oriented properly.
Firstly, are you sure those test lenses you’re using are polycarbonate? If they’re glass, they’re a lot heavier. And of course they might be thicker than necessary for your prescription because they’re cheap: thin lenses are lighter but more spendy.
But essentially you’ve discovered why I always wear glasses with cable temples 🙂 Yes, they’re a bit more annoying to fit in a case, but they hold your frames put on your nose and you never have to worry about your glasses slipping ever again.
Although the 3D-printed glasses I designed fold the temples at an angle to position the wires more smartly, so they fit in regular cases. And I’ve just finished designing a very nice 3D-printed custom case for them too, which I will publish on my Github soon. But here’s a sneak preview:
Also, I’ve been wearing cable temples for so long that the nose bridge of all my glasses, which all land more or less at the same place on my nose all the time, ended up leaving a permanent indent in my skin. So the nose bridge always fall in it now. I could almost do away with the temples and the frames wouldn’t even move at this point.
If you don’t intend to change the shape of your frames, the easiest is to design around old lenses you have lying around. If you screw them up, you weren’t doing anything with them anyway so it doesn’t matter. And presumably they used to be as nice lenses as you could afford when you wore them, so they should be close to the new ones you’ll order after you’ve finished your design.
That’s unfortunate. I’m trying to troubleshoot some problem that may be due to how the lens are made (or not). So having some understanding and control of that part of the process could have helped.
Good question. I weighed my current frame + lens and printed frame + trial lens to pick trial lenses that match the weight. Like you, I’m execting to be lighter in the end but wanted to be on the safe side when tweaking the frames.
The trial lens are indeed glass but I’m using “plano” (0D) lenses because those match the weight. The actual lens is/will be plastic, but not polycarbonate. Its some material that’s only referred to by its index of refraction.
I’ll definitely add cable temples to the list of things to try and see what works well.
Nice! I haven’t even thought about the case yet. I was probably going to reuse an existing case but now this is giving me ideas :) Although at this point, I’m still mainly focused on solving the (medical) problem or at least gain some insight.
Indeed. Unfortunately, the main thing I want to do with 3d printing is to make frames with smaller lenses. They don’t make these other than for children and child-sized faces. So I don’t have any old glasses with lenses of that size.
The only things you can rely on with regard to how the lenses are edged is:
The bevel will be “bevelly” - meaning it’ll be a bevel of some kind, between 90 and 120 degrees, but no flatter than that. In other words, you can rely on having something to grip the lens with and that’s enough.
The bevel follows the curvature of the frame. If you frame is flat, the bevel will be placed all around the edge of the lens flat too.
As much as your correction will allow, the bevel will be placed as far forward as possible so the lens looks like it’s tangent with the front of the frame all around, and all the thickness will be hidden at the back of the frame. So if your frame is, say, 2mm in width, the root of the bevel will be placed 1mm from the front of the edge.
The other thing you can rely on is that the bevel will be slightly oversized so they can be snapped into the frame, and the amount of oversize will be a bit higher for plastic frames which are more flexible. And that’s where the danger lies: if your frames are designed to hold the frame without pressure like mine, you have to tell the optician so they pass the information to the lens cutter. Otherwise you will received lenses that are slightly too big.
But don’t sweat it too much: the great thing with 3D printing is, even if the lenses you received aren’t the right size, you can always print another frame with slightly revised dimensions.
And if you really don’t want to print another frame, don’t forget that you pay beaucoup bucks for those damn bits of plastic, so you can always copiously warn the optician that your frames are not made of the kinds of plastics plastic frames are usually made of, and then the onus will be on the lens maker to make the lenses right for your frames (remember that they will be sent your frames, so they’ll know rightaway if the lenses fit).
If the lenses aren’t right, it’s their problem and you can reject the lenses and tell them to try again. If you warn the optician in no uncertain terms that your frames are PLA, they or the lens maker can’t claim they didn’t know.
Just design the frames you want with the shape you want, with a 120-degree bevel, and ask your optician if it’s workable for the lens maker. They might tell you they’ll ask them - and you can leave them a test print too if they want to sent it to the lens maker too. There isn’t much more to this really.
Be aware that cable temples are a lot more finicky to adjust than regular curved temples. If they’re too short, even a little, they’ll dig into the skin behind your ears and you’ll hate them. Likewise, if the hook is too narrow, the tip will hurt you under your ear.
That’s a big reason why cable temples went out of favor in the 1920’s: they’re great when they’re well adjusted, but they quickly become nasty and uncomfortable when they aren’t - unlike maladjusted curved temples which can simply ride up the ear a little without too much drama.
With regular metal wire, you can bend the temples this and that way to make them fit. Not so much with PLA. You can shape it with heat but if you do it more than once, it becomes rough and unpleasant to wear - if the PLA doesn’t delaminate completely. So take the time to design the right length and shape directly in your model. It’s a bit long and tedious but once you know the right dimensions, you’ll love how natural they feel.
Also, don’t make the wire too thin or it will dig into your skin as well. And too thick will make the wire inflexible and difficult to put on. The wire profile that works best for me is this (for PLA):