- cross-posted to:
- leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world
US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.
They were upset by the democrats as well, which is probably why they turned to the only other party in the country. I know people are going to rush in and say “but the democrats would be better than trump!!” and that may be true to some extent, but the genocide started and progressed unabated under democrats. I guess Muslims can just get fucked, huh folks?
The genocide started in 2020? I kind of thought maybe there was some conflict in the region prior to that…but now I understand it was the Democrats that did everything and I will vote for Republicans, the party that specifically hates Muslims, instead.
More accurately the genocide started when israel was being established, but it greatly ramped up in 2023. I know you want to take the heat off of democrats, but they are just as complicit in this genocide. Yes, republicans are worse in general, but that does not absolve democrats of giving billions in support of genocide.
You don’t know what I want, and none of that is what I said, but keep pretending whatever approach you’re taking here is helpful, it seems to be helping you sleep at night. No one should be absolved of supporting Israel’s actions in Gaza. We were given 2 options, and I picked the one that I expect to result in less harm. The other option won and will now be in control of what happens to Gaza, and there’s no silver lining in that no matter how bad you want to find one.
The problem is that the conversation is being locked down to which of the two pro-israel parties to vote for. The conversation we should really be having is how to stop support for genocide outright. There are many here smirking at how people can vote for a candidate that would do things against their interests, but the reality is that both parties unconditionally support genocide. People are using the flimsy argument that democrats supposedly offer a kinder genocide, but the biden administration’s actions have not shown that to be the case.
You have a point in that support for israel has been a thing for a long time. If we see the complete annihilation of Gaza, it will not have been through the efforts of a single administration, but rather through a bipartisan tag team of ghouls.
I mean, these people (the leaders in the article) threw basically any minority group in the US and all of Ukraine under the bus to make their point. I’m not gonna say anything about all Muslims, but these leaders can definitely get fucked.
Don’t worry, they have plenty like the above commenter who are willing to give them plenty of asspats and play apologist about how they opted to kill more of the people they supposedly want to save AND massacre American minorities.
Apologist? You mean like how people like you rush to defend democrats supporting genocide with “other guy worse”? You’re just falling for the two-party tag team. Democrats and republicans play off each other to continually move the country to the right and they rely on people thinking they’re actually opposing parties. Congrats on falling for it, I guess.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t actually have to suffer the consequences of throwing the election to fascists. :)
Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))
Look bud, if democrats cared about combating fascism, they wouldn’t be cozying up to war criminals like dick cheney, putting out ad campaigns with republican talking points, and insisting that they must move to the right (i.e. closer to full-blown fascism) after every election defeat while never moving to the left.
That’s even more fucked up that you cheer on the slaughter of your own relatives under the Trump regime backing Israel to the hilt.
As opposed to democrats backing israel to the hilt right now? You may not believe this, but the bombs dropped during democratic party rule don’t hurt less. What’s really fucked up is you thinking I’m doing any cheering. You should really take some time for self-reflection for thinking that me criticizing democrats for the genocide they’ve been fully supporting for over a year now somehow means that I support trump. Who do we vote for if we don’t want genocide? No, I’m not asking for a supposedly “better” genocide, I mean NO genocide.
This may be shocking, but things can absolutely get worse, and ‘to the hilt’ is an English idiom which means ‘as much as possible’.
Oh, okay, you’re just giving asspats to people who literally voted for Trump, who openly espoused the value of intensifying and backing the genocide by all means possible because you want to criticize the Democrats. Okay. Very believable.
There wasn’t a no genocide choice. The idea that picking ‘more genocide’ as a protest of that is somehow understandable is deluded or vile - or both.
They weren’t thrown under the bus, they were already lined up in front of the bus by democrats who then pointed at the republican bus driver and screamed that they would be driven over if they didn’t vote democrat.
No there’s plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats’ hands aren’t clean here. But neither is anyone who voted for trump or encouraged others to vote for trump.
Have you ever heard of an analogy before? Because that’s like…the Stretch-Armstrong of analogies.
There is a reason why the go-to argument to vote for democrats is “because the republicans are worse”.
Is that because Republicans are worse?
Listen, we aren’t going to make Democrats better by letting Republicans win, that just lowers the bar for the even further
If you want real change it’s going to take drastic action with significant personal risk from a lot of people.
Always responding with “republicans are worse” does nothing except to shut down conversation of the complicity of democrats in all of this. It’s like pointing at a homeless person in the US and saying “well it could be worse, they could be homeless in a war-torn country”. It locks down the conversation to the two choice fallacy and blocks any conversation on avenues for that real change you are referencing. These voters are misguided, but it’s telling that democrats are so shit that these people thought a trump administration could offer anything different.
“two choices fallacy”? Buckaroo, you realize America only has two parties. And that won’t change until the voting system changes.
That was my point, the illusion of choice. While people are fiercely arguing over voting for one of the two parties, both parties are moving to the right. Now we’re at the point where both agree to supporting genocide. We’ve lost the plot here.
In Russian roulette, I might not die.
Or, my brains might explode out of my head to paint the wall in a vivid splatter.
Why the fuck would anyone play Russian roulette in the first place?