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      i guess that’s what it is takes to kick out savages from England, Russia and US.

      at some point white pipi need to look into the mirror… are we the baddies?

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        Kicking out savages to replace them with your own savagery isn’t the win you think it is.

        And “white pipi”? Could you try any harder to sound like a 4Chan alt-right troll?

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          Kicking out savages to replace them with your own savagery isn’t the win you think it is.

          It’s not their “own savagery” the Taliban aren’t originally from Afghanistan. They were originally from Saudi Arabia and were part of the US effort to subvert the Soviet invasion.

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            It’s not their “own savagery” the Taliban aren’t originally from Afghanistan. They were originally from Saudi Arabia and were part of the US effort to subvert the Soviet invasion.

            1. The Taliban came after the Soviets were kicked out of Afghanistan, and were not part of the original Mujahedeen. They, in fact, were instrumental in overthrowing the fractured Mujahedeen-led government in the 90s.

            2. The Taliban were financed by and originally based in Pakistan, not Saudi Arabia.

            3. The US never supported the Taliban.

            • Asserts the Taliban were Saudi, not Pakistani in origin
            • Thinks the Taliban existed in the 80s and fought the Soviets
            • Does not understand the difference between the factions outside of the Northern Alliance and the Taliban
            • Thinks that religious radicalism was new to Afghanistan in the 80s rather than something that had been long-established in the country since at least the 19th century
            • Apparently is incapable of reading the wiki articles they copy and paste
            • Thinks everyone else is uninformed

            lmao

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              1. The Taliban originally came from pashtun nationalist who taught a long side with the mujahideen, but we’re radicalized by sunni extremism taught by madrasa near Kandahar. These schools were funded by the United States and Saudi Arabia who agreed to match the US dollar to dollar in funding the counter insurgency in Afghanistan.

              I believe you are talking about Al-Qaeda

              The Taliban’s roots lie in the religious schools of Kandahar and were influenced significantly by foreign support, particularly from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, during the Soviet–Afghan War.

              Additionally, both Saudi Arabia and the United States shared common geo-political goals such as countering the influence of the Soviet Union during the Cold War.[31] The Saudis’ increase in oil production to stabilize the oil price and its support of anti-communism contributed to closer relations with the U.S.[27] In January 1979, the U.S. sent F-15 fighters to Saudi Arabia as part of its anti-communist campaign.[27] Furthermore, the U.S. and Saudi Arabia were both supporting anti-communist groups in Afghanistan and various countries.[33]

              After the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December 1979, relations between Saudi Arabia and the United States further strengthened as both governments began jointly co-ordinating to assist Afghan resistance militias, which waged guerilla warfare against Soviet occupation forces across Afghanistan.[31]

              1. Who was funding Pakistan…?

              President Reagan’s new priorities and the unlikely and remarkably effective effort by Congressman Charles Wilson (D-TX), aided by Joanne Herring, and CIA Afghan Desk Chief Gust Avrakotos to increase the funding for Operation Cyclone. Aid to the Afghan resistance, and to Pakistan, increased substantially, finally reaching $1 billion. The United States, faced with a rival superpower looking as if it were to create another Communist bloc, now engaged Zia in fighting a US-supported war by proxy in Afghanistan against the Soviets.

              1. The US never supported the Taliban.

              Yeah, they were pretty much funding any anti-soviet forces in the region.

              After the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979, the United States in coordination with regional partners such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan launched a covert campaign, Operation Cyclone, to support the Afghan mujahideen resistance to the Soviet occupation. While American funding for weapons and military equipment for the mujahideen is well known, many are unaware of the significant expenditures by the American government through USAID to provide educational materials and textbooks to mujahideen parties and Afghan children.4 Published and distributed by the University of Nebraska-Omaha (UNO), this program attempted to encourage a violent resistance to Soviet forces in Afghanistan by shaping the educational program of Afghan youth. However, the content of these textbooks blatantly promoted jihad, militancy, and violence through graphic language and imagery. The textbooks included clear messages aimed at evoking hostility towards Russian invaders and promoting violent retribution against occupiers of Afghanistan. Textbooks designed to teach children to read and basic mathematics simultaneously emphasize weapons, killings, jihad, and Islamism. Although American officials claimed that they did not want to impose American values on Afghan educators, their failure to question the radical content presented in the textbooks reveals how countering Soviet communist influence transcended the potential destabilizing consequences of this program on the Afghan political situation. This intervention in Afghan education is emblematic of a broader pattern in how American policymakers fail to consider the long-term ramifications of their actions on the everyday lives of the Afghan people.

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                The Taliban originally came from pashtun nationalist who taught a long side with the mujahideen, but we’re radicalized by sunni extremism taught by madrasa near Kandahar.

                They emerged in Afghanistan in the mid-1990s,

                A small Taliban militia first emerged near Kandahar in the spring and summer of 1994, committing vigilante acts against minor warlords, with a fund of US$250,000 being supplied to it by local businessmen.

                Want to tell me when the Soviets left Afghanistan? Go on. Give me a year.

                Who was funding Pakistan…?

                Does this mean that the US has sold US military secrets to China, since Israel has done so and we fund Israel? Come the fuck on. Pakistan has always played a double game for its own interests.

                Yeah, they were pretty much funding any anti-soviet forces in the region.

                Yes, which did not include the Taliban, as the Taliban didn’t even fucking exist at the time.

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                  Want to tell me when the Soviets left Afghanistan? Go on. Give me a year.

                  Lol, you are being pedantic. The mujahideen basically split between the Taliban and and the northern alliance.

                  Just because they had a name change doesn’t mean that the US Pakistan and the sauds aren’t responsible for importing sunni extremism and then training, funding, and arming the future Taliban.

                  My whole point is that sunni extremism and sharia law isn’t native to the Afghan culture. It was imported as a ploy to fight of the Soviet invasion.

                  Even the fucking CIA isn’t in as much denialism as you.

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            the Taliban aren’t originally from Afghanistan.

            You corrected yourself below but this is so wrong…

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          I didn’t say it was a win, just high lighting how these colonizers got wrecked. Why u mad tho?