How can I be more clear than “deliberate compositional choices”?
I am not particularly intrested in going over the part of the discourse that is never going to be settled.
The only sense in which it is “never going to be settled” is the sense in which obtuse philistines and sickos will continue to insist, as I alluded to in another comment, that “the curtains are blue and nothing more”. For all your talk of artistic rights, you seem to have no inclination to actually analyze something as art instead of just as a bunch of things that a writer said happened.
It specifically isn’t glorifying violence. Everyone finds it abhorrent all the time. They even specifically call out the fact that if the government tried to help the people all this could be avoided.
As I recall, the government helping would be by organizing and subsidizing the violence against the untermensch goblins rather than leaving it to the people to handle. I don’t understand how you think this advances your point.
To my mind the goblins are goblins. Where you see terrible little creature and think they might be a minority I don’t think the anology holds. For most the text they are like chimpanzees. Which would be a legitimate threat to smalls towns in even our modern era. Just like the bourgeois in the setting we aren’t willing to consider the difficulties the peasants have unless it is through a lens we care about. That creature feature aspect would be intresting enough. I see the sexual violence aspect as not being a fully considered theme. The author put it in to raise the stakes. They had some intresting things to say in terms of the anime industry. The author is right that in modern society that is a real problem that the government doesn’t work to fix and leaves huge scars across society. Every story arc is based on people handling their trauma and that is way more intresting than the generally pro sexual violence stance of most anime. If we look at it’s contemporary SAO we can see what scenes of sexual violence composed to be enjoyed look like. They don’t look like that. It doesn’t handle it perfectly. It is the author trying to make things grimdark. However it is closer to a good point than lots of works and that is intresting. Tot he rest about it being a power fantasy about killing that is a genre staple. Almost any work in the fantasy setting is about killing the evil races. Every DnD inspired work has that aspect. Look at the demons of friren. Violence and power fantasy are why male centered fantasy exists. Capitalism requires it. It seems to me like the author is coming from a place where they are trying to figure out how to critique that. If they actually succeeded the work would not have been made. So in that it got made, it is closed to being right on things than normal and that is good.
You’ve now gone from avoiding the eroticized SV to denying it. You are contorting your self worse than Fighter’s spine contorted so you could have her chest and buttocks shown so clearly in the same panel, right after her clothes were vaporized in one panel.
But you’ve gotta work with the pieces you’re given! It was needed to get printed! It’s not eroticizing SV because . . . fuck . . .
I mean, you cannot meet an objective assessment of art but I don’t think the portrayal does that. There is a strong split in the criticism amongst the Fandom where a significant element don’t think it is either. To the point that in Fandom spaces when someone brings that up as a positive they are shunned. Conversely there are specifically fandoms for that kind of thing and they do not appreciate the work. So that’s two voted against. Now I know the generla level of medica literacy for the anime Fandom is slow so I don’t know how to weigh that evidence. So in the end I don’t know. I just think that the work appart from that has intresting artistic value. I feel like since the property is not going to get another season it never going to be resolved and I see no artistic value in trying to do so. For sure if that is your take I respect that and I no reason to disagree with you or try to change your mind. It is ultimately not the part of the work I find Intresting or valuable to consider. Given that positive depictions of sexual violence are the industry standard. It’s not great. I think GS comes close enough to a critique of that standard that it is creatively intresting. However as we have here the discourse doesn’t go past the first episode so that conversation never goes anywhere.
“There’s no way to tell if these anime girls are being sexualized during the violence, art is subjective after all”.
You’re a fucking coward and telling me what the consensus is among the hives of illiterate philistines who agree with you is not the point you think you scored.
Again, if you want to discuss one part of the first episode there is nothing useful to be said. I think the rest of the two seasons is pretty intresting as an artifact of it’s time. It is one of the few anime brave enough to be against sexual violence and people will never forgive it for that.
How can I be more clear than “deliberate compositional choices”?
The only sense in which it is “never going to be settled” is the sense in which obtuse philistines and sickos will continue to insist, as I alluded to in another comment, that “the curtains are blue and nothing more”. For all your talk of artistic rights, you seem to have no inclination to actually analyze something as art instead of just as a bunch of things that a writer said happened.
As I recall, the government helping would be by organizing and subsidizing the violence against the
untermenschgoblins rather than leaving it to the people to handle. I don’t understand how you think this advances your point.To my mind the goblins are goblins. Where you see terrible little creature and think they might be a minority I don’t think the anology holds. For most the text they are like chimpanzees. Which would be a legitimate threat to smalls towns in even our modern era. Just like the bourgeois in the setting we aren’t willing to consider the difficulties the peasants have unless it is through a lens we care about. That creature feature aspect would be intresting enough. I see the sexual violence aspect as not being a fully considered theme. The author put it in to raise the stakes. They had some intresting things to say in terms of the anime industry. The author is right that in modern society that is a real problem that the government doesn’t work to fix and leaves huge scars across society. Every story arc is based on people handling their trauma and that is way more intresting than the generally pro sexual violence stance of most anime. If we look at it’s contemporary SAO we can see what scenes of sexual violence composed to be enjoyed look like. They don’t look like that. It doesn’t handle it perfectly. It is the author trying to make things grimdark. However it is closer to a good point than lots of works and that is intresting. Tot he rest about it being a power fantasy about killing that is a genre staple. Almost any work in the fantasy setting is about killing the evil races. Every DnD inspired work has that aspect. Look at the demons of friren. Violence and power fantasy are why male centered fantasy exists. Capitalism requires it. It seems to me like the author is coming from a place where they are trying to figure out how to critique that. If they actually succeeded the work would not have been made. So in that it got made, it is closed to being right on things than normal and that is good.
You’ve now gone from avoiding the eroticized SV to denying it. You are contorting your self worse than Fighter’s spine contorted so you could have her chest and buttocks shown so clearly in the same panel, right after her clothes were vaporized in one panel.
But you’ve gotta work with the pieces you’re given! It was needed to get printed! It’s not eroticizing SV because . . . fuck . . .
I mean, you cannot meet an objective assessment of art but I don’t think the portrayal does that. There is a strong split in the criticism amongst the Fandom where a significant element don’t think it is either. To the point that in Fandom spaces when someone brings that up as a positive they are shunned. Conversely there are specifically fandoms for that kind of thing and they do not appreciate the work. So that’s two voted against. Now I know the generla level of medica literacy for the anime Fandom is slow so I don’t know how to weigh that evidence. So in the end I don’t know. I just think that the work appart from that has intresting artistic value. I feel like since the property is not going to get another season it never going to be resolved and I see no artistic value in trying to do so. For sure if that is your take I respect that and I no reason to disagree with you or try to change your mind. It is ultimately not the part of the work I find Intresting or valuable to consider. Given that positive depictions of sexual violence are the industry standard. It’s not great. I think GS comes close enough to a critique of that standard that it is creatively intresting. However as we have here the discourse doesn’t go past the first episode so that conversation never goes anywhere.
“There’s no way to tell if these anime girls are being sexualized during the violence, art is subjective after all”.
You’re a fucking coward and telling me what the consensus is among the hives of illiterate philistines who agree with you is not the point you think you scored.
Again, if you want to discuss one part of the first episode there is nothing useful to be said. I think the rest of the two seasons is pretty intresting as an artifact of it’s time. It is one of the few anime brave enough to be against sexual violence and people will never forgive it for that.
Disgusting double talk, it eroticizes sexual violence.
Like, how can you say this with a straight face? Oh, yeah, the witness being traumatized is definitely what people objected to. Fucking bullshit
Evidence doesn’t just not count because you want to dismiss it.
By the way, let me repeat that it does something much worse in the first chapter of Year One. The sexual violence is being used to pull in readers.