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Only a Russian troll who wants Putin to win would oppose this. If anything, 18 isn’t low enough. Remove the age requirement entirely so that newborns and supercentenarians can join the fight to defend Western civilization. Denying preschoolers their right to take up arms is literally the definition of totalitarianism.
why wait for them to even be born? what if we just genetically modify wombs so that they can grow in seconds and launch organisms at high speeds directly at the enemies of western civilization? we can feed the mothers gasoline so when the babies hit our enemies they explode. surely elon musk can figure this technology out, he’s a genius.
Libs will ban you from their subreddits for disagreeing with this.
I’ll bet boomers will love this.
Some things are just impossible to spin. Having to lower conscription to 18 is one of those. You can’t pretend that Russia is losing 10 people to every Ukrainian at that point or that Ukraine has no casualties. The visceral reaction to kids being sent to war overrules everything else, and then you start realizing that the older men got no training whatsoever either.
Ukraine not publishing statistics and hiding the extent of their loss in the war is calculated and was calculated from the beginning this quite literally supported top to bottom by nationalists.
Nationalists have a brain disease. My Ukranian family literally took the party line to the point where they won’t talk about the war, when we ask if they’re okay and what’s happening they give a vague noncommittal answer. They got mad at my parents for helping one of my cousin’s wife and children to escape to Germany. They literally refused to talk to us when we saw on LiveMapUa that missiles hit their town and a substation was destroyed.
There’s no spin needed. The nationalist among them don’t have any other story to tell but the strongest ethnonationalist bullshit, they’re the ones in charge and the ones that are prosecuting this war. They have the rest of them captive. That’s why they shelled DNR into the ground before the war got hot.
I meant spin mostly for foreign audiences, right. The euro-american NATOist who feels very strongly about the war is just a coward several million steps removed from it all. Whereas your family is in the thick of it. At the very least they are trying to survive mentally, and are invested in the war in a much more visceral way. Their rationalizations are much more powerfully built and that’s without even considering, as you mentioned, the ethnonationalist side of it all.
Best believe libs will try anyway
They’re losing
“I would choose to be shot to death right here, in Kyiv instead of going to the frontline,” Serhiy, a 17-year-old high school graduate, told Al Jazeera. “I wouldn’t be able to raise my hand at the people of my blood.”
He cited the customs of Cossacks, a medieval caste of frontier warriors in what is now central Ukraine who formed quasi-democratic communities and combined nomadic cavalry tactics with firearms.
“Our forefathers, Cossacks, didn’t allow a man who had no children, no heirs, to go to war,” Serhiy said. “I would have done the same. If there are no people, who the hell needs this land?”
Finance capitalism, kid. Finance capitalism wants your land.
Nice that there are kids who haven’t bought in to the “russians are orcs” ukronazi bullshit.
Finance capitalism, kid. Finance capitalism wants your land.
We only want the earth
(CW: SA) Cossacks weren’t their forefathers though, they were separate people cosidering themsevles nobility (nobody else agreed with that though) and called the local peasants “Blackness” which means “common rabble” (at best). And they were resettled by the Russian Empire to other places, iirc mostly Kuban. Cossack ancestry is only real in the meaning that they r*ped A LOT, but the same was done in Ukraine by Tatars and Poles.
yeah his historical knowledge is deeply flawed, but his modern sentiment is in the right place. He should not want to die for finance imperialists, and at least in that he has a correct consciousness.
Yeah, not disagreeing with that naturally, just pointing out that this kinds of fake ethnogenesis is usually a reactionary brainworm breeding ground, for example Poland still cannot entirely shake off the Sarmatism nonsense even after 400 years.
Since modern Ukraine is not willing to admit the only reason their current state even exists is due to Vladimir Lenin and the actual historical precursors are too Russian, apparently Ukrainian historians have landed on Zaporozhian cossacks for their nationalist myth. The kid was probably taught that in school, I’ve seen Ukrainian professors say the same thing.
There are like 3-4 competing nationalist myths in Ukraine right now. The problem with ethnogenesis is that it isn’t about the genesis of the state, it’s about the genesis and literally lineage of a people which quite literally is insane and flat out wrong for most states unless most of the people lived on an island for millennia.
Even those that live on Islands have a really hard time, for example TERF Island doesn’t really do well by it’s indigenous populations in its current ethogenesis, it’s mostly ruled by it’s Norman and Angelo invaders and it’s purely German monarchs.
The kid was probably taught that in school, I’ve seen Ukrainian professors say the same thing.
The kid was taught one of these myths likely by their uncle or family member. Ukrainians culturally have somewhat of an oral history due to language suppression, these oral histories are tested at Ukrainian universities, rather than created at the universities.
The reality of the Ukranian ethnogenesis is that it’s inseparable from the Russian and Belarussian ones. They’re all branches of the same tree, and people do a shit ton of copium when retelling this stuff to put an emphasis on their favorite grudge. Ethnogenesis stories are almost often lies so the need of the Ukrainian state and intelligentsia to create one is telling, they’re effectively picking and choosing whatever happened on “the land” and shoving that into “the people”.
How fucked is it that NATO’s strategy to conquer Ukraine and steal it’s land and riches is to create a war, send a half million Ukrainians to die against their own cousins, finance the war, and then demand everything of value Ukraine has left as repayment?
And now that it’s looking like there may not be a ukraine to pay the war debt NATO is toying with the idea of taking things nuclear and just ending the world entire instead of capitulating and writing off some paltry amount of debt.
I told my lib colleague this entire time that the global South are better off allying with China than America and he scoffed at the idea for quite a while; the genocide in Palestine though really opened his eyes and he’s beginning to realize regardless of what he thinks of China (he’s still a lib), they are definitely better friends to countries in the global South than the US government.
“It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”
The US is going to alienate every ally it has.
At this point the only thing holding the West allyship together is shared racism against brown people, will it be enough?
The US has vassals, not allies. Alienation is acceptable
Until it ain’t. Even Mexico seems to be angling to pivot to BRICS as soon as a chance is presented.
will it be enough?
Europe is a garden and the rest of the world is a jungle, and the garden must make sure the jungle does not encroach on the garden
-Josep Borrell, EU foreign policy chief
It’s not a matter of ‘is racism against brown people enough’, it’s a matter of when do they come back down to planet earth.
who cares how alienated they are if they follow every beck and call, if they kneel to every wave of their hand
america is in charge, ukraine can do absolutely nothing about that
Moloch demands your children, Ukraine.
Fucking evil. Dc is just so fucking evil. They’re not kids to the ghouls, they’re just ammunition.
Why the guy in the pic holding a baguette?
It’s a wooden dummy gun.
In France they use baguettes for the same purpose.
DwarvenFrench battle bread.you could definitely kill people with old stale bread.
Didn’t they do that in the show Atlanta?
i would applaud them if i knew
We also have cake in Poland called “sękacz” in different versions, from the mild ambrosia melting on your tongue to rock hard that can be mounted on a stick and used to bash someone’s head.
sękacz
lets not pretend the spit cake is not a dark souls weapon
