Probably going to get a lot of hate, but you have no idea how many people I’ve fired for doing that. Request doesn’t mean mandate. The request gets denied and still don’t show up, well, then you didn’t need the job in the first place, so I’ll just go ahead and open your schedule up so you can look for a better job
Spoken like someone who’s never been management. You can prepare for everyone outcome you can think of, and there’ll still be that one person to throw a wrench in the plans
Also have been management and have since started a new career. If your company can have any unfixable issue caused by a single (or even a half dozen) people, the systems you built are weak.
At least the block button is convenient and useable on communities and even instances, instead of not blocking “suicide watch trolling” and not having the ability to block extremist political subreddits.
I AM GOING ALL CAPS TO MAKE SURE THIS IS HEARD ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK. IF ANY OF THE REQUESTS MADE WERE MADE WITH PTO, THEN THAT TIME OFF WAS EARNED AND YOU, AS THE MANAGER, CAN FUCK 1,000,000% ALL THE WAY OFF.
And if those without PTO, this “request doesn’t mean mandate” is one of those, “you’re not wrong, you just sound like a nightmare to work for” kind of manager.
Now, after I’ve sounded like an asshole, I’ll bridge the gap by saying if you need a certain number of staff for regulatory reasons (e.g. patient to staff ratios in healthcare) that’s one thing. Workers who abuse time off requests are another. Dependable workers who don’t abuse time off requests should have no problem getting that time off. You very well may sound like why entire staffs walk out at once.
Found the shitty manager. Managers like this i ALWAYS treat like absolute shit while not breaking any rules. Every little mistake they make no matter how small i report to corporate. I make their life a living hell only because of their attitude. I’ve managed to get 1 fired and another i managed to completely change the way they act at work. Felt pretty fuckin nice.
A manager should really find how the person acts before messing with them. You never know if you get a person like me who gives ZERO fucks about anybody no matter your position.
I go out of my way to make sure me and my employees are treated fairly. The employees i work with have families to feed and are scared to speak their mind. I don’t have family so I step up and defend my coworkers from shitty managers like you.
It’s not a request. It’s a polite reminder that your employees are people too with their own lives, and if you come between them and the people or things they care about, you get to find out real quick where you stand.
Try not to choke much more on that ego. I’m sure the constant turnover you’re bragging about must be real good for the bottom line.
Yeah, and they probably could get a job the next day flipping burgers at a McDonald’s that you didn’t work as a day shift manager. It costs you a lot more money to hire a new employee than it costs them to get a new service/retail job.
Bro, I get it, your instance is so cool and so much better than lemmy.world. the Lemmy world users don’t even know they’re doing wrong, I started there before coming to programming.dev. chill out, please.
I don’t really see how it’s abuse. You start working at a company, you enter an agreement. A very low profile contractual obligation “You work here, follow our policies and guidelines for this amount of money”. If you agree and sign to that agreement then you are expected to hold up your end of the bargain. If you don’t hold up your end, then the agreement has been broken. That’s how business works. If you don’t like the policies at a company, don’t work at a company. If you don’t like the money, don’t agree to it.
Clearly! Lol Your message is literally “you’re not entitled to any personal time for whatever reason, no matter how much it means to you or how much in advance you ask for it, because I own you and me being petty is more important than your personal life”, all under the guise of a contract that can absolutely be arranged in time.
You sound like the most inflexible, frigid, and arrogant managers out there who relish on making people miserable. You’re not a leader, you just want to feel like someone’s boss. You’re part of the problem.
Unfortunately, if the business schedule is so rigidly defined that it cannot handle unexpected absences, then someone is clearly unqualified for the position of management.
Signed, a former team manager, for a small team at that.
We are trading time. You get my expertise and in return, I get money for that expertise. The company does incur the risk of building the infrastructure and all the debt that usually results. I understand that, which is why I show up on time, I pay attention to my work, and I give my best while I’m there. Time off is crucial because I have a life outside of work. I don’t give one flying fuck if your business fails if I have no equity, so that time off if precious to me, as the employee.
If you use an out of office request like a mandate, just be ready to be fired. No surprises, no power trips. If you wager your time with someone who is literally a broker of your time + (Labor), be ready for them to call you on it. It’s their job.
Probably going to get a lot of hate, but you have no idea how many people I’ve fired for doing that. Request doesn’t mean mandate. The request gets denied and still don’t show up, well, then you didn’t need the job in the first place, so I’ll just go ahead and open your schedule up so you can look for a better job
A good manager plans ahead 🤷♂️
Spoken like someone who’s never been management. You can prepare for everyone outcome you can think of, and there’ll still be that one person to throw a wrench in the plans
I am management. You’re full of shit.
Also have been management and have since started a new career. If your company can have any unfixable issue caused by a single (or even a half dozen) people, the systems you built are weak.
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Well, so much for the “Lemmy is so much more civilised than Reddit” argument.
At least the block button is convenient and useable on communities and even instances, instead of not blocking “suicide watch trolling” and not having the ability to block extremist political subreddits.
I just talk to people how they talk to me.
Yeah but treating the people who gave you a heads up like shit makes you part of the fucking problem asshole.
You must be a child. I bet you’re a child
Yeah cause children regularly provide notice of their actions/needs
Yes. By crying
Oh, what a childish response 🤭
Don’t care. Go fuck yourself
You must have a sad sad life if the only thing important to you is work.
The rest of us work so that we can enjoy ourselves.
I AM GOING ALL CAPS TO MAKE SURE THIS IS HEARD ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK. IF ANY OF THE REQUESTS MADE WERE MADE WITH PTO, THEN THAT TIME OFF WAS EARNED AND YOU, AS THE MANAGER, CAN FUCK 1,000,000% ALL THE WAY OFF.
And if those without PTO, this “request doesn’t mean mandate” is one of those, “you’re not wrong, you just sound like a nightmare to work for” kind of manager.
Now, after I’ve sounded like an asshole, I’ll bridge the gap by saying if you need a certain number of staff for regulatory reasons (e.g. patient to staff ratios in healthcare) that’s one thing. Workers who abuse time off requests are another. Dependable workers who don’t abuse time off requests should have no problem getting that time off. You very well may sound like why entire staffs walk out at once.
The fact that the guy you said this to doesn’t respond to this specific comment says volumes about how right you are and how much of an asshole he is.
Fucking facts.
How to abuse something you are not even paid for? It’s like saying workers abuse not being workers any more.
Congratulations on being part of why your job sucked. I guarantee you outside of management no one liked you.
You should never assume
Found the shitty manager. Managers like this i ALWAYS treat like absolute shit while not breaking any rules. Every little mistake they make no matter how small i report to corporate. I make their life a living hell only because of their attitude. I’ve managed to get 1 fired and another i managed to completely change the way they act at work. Felt pretty fuckin nice.
A manager should really find how the person acts before messing with them. You never know if you get a person like me who gives ZERO fucks about anybody no matter your position.
Oh ok. So you go out of your way to mess with people and screw them over. That just makes you a shitty person in general
I go out of my way to make sure me and my employees are treated fairly. The employees i work with have families to feed and are scared to speak their mind. I don’t have family so I step up and defend my coworkers from shitty managers like you.
TIL self-defense and defense of others makes somebody a “shitty person in general.”
I think it’s time for you to fuck off with your abusive attitude.
Beats a shitty manager all day. Only one of those two buttheads holds sway over paychecks.
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Lol, you really think they care what a shitty manager thinks of them?
Looks like he took your job of being an absolute dick
Given sufficient notice (like a couple days) there’s rarely a reason to deny someone’s time off request.
You’re right, I hate this.
Thanks for your input
Illegal in San Francisco 🥰
If an employee gives 2 hours notice, they can’t be punished.
That explains why there are so many engieneers in SF
The guy working at subway is a freakin “sandwich engineer” ugh
It’s not a request. It’s a polite reminder that your employees are people too with their own lives, and if you come between them and the people or things they care about, you get to find out real quick where you stand.
Try not to choke much more on that ego. I’m sure the constant turnover you’re bragging about must be real good for the bottom line.
Yeah, and they probably could get a job the next day flipping burgers at a McDonald’s that you didn’t work as a day shift manager. It costs you a lot more money to hire a new employee than it costs them to get a new service/retail job.
Lemmy.world abusing people for taking time off work? Checks out
Hey, don’t blame the rest of us for that asshole’s dysfunction!
Bro, I get it, your instance is so cool and so much better than lemmy.world. the Lemmy world users don’t even know they’re doing wrong, I started there before coming to programming.dev. chill out, please.
What are you talking about?
I don’t really see how it’s abuse. You start working at a company, you enter an agreement. A very low profile contractual obligation “You work here, follow our policies and guidelines for this amount of money”. If you agree and sign to that agreement then you are expected to hold up your end of the bargain. If you don’t hold up your end, then the agreement has been broken. That’s how business works. If you don’t like the policies at a company, don’t work at a company. If you don’t like the money, don’t agree to it.
Clearly! Lol Your message is literally “you’re not entitled to any personal time for whatever reason, no matter how much it means to you or how much in advance you ask for it, because I own you and me being petty is more important than your personal life”, all under the guise of a contract that can absolutely be arranged in time.
You sound like the most inflexible, frigid, and arrogant managers out there who relish on making people miserable. You’re not a leader, you just want to feel like someone’s boss. You’re part of the problem.
Unfortunately, if the business schedule is so rigidly defined that it cannot handle unexpected absences, then someone is clearly unqualified for the position of management.
Signed, a former team manager, for a small team at that.
We are trading time. You get my expertise and in return, I get money for that expertise. The company does incur the risk of building the infrastructure and all the debt that usually results. I understand that, which is why I show up on time, I pay attention to my work, and I give my best while I’m there. Time off is crucial because I have a life outside of work. I don’t give one flying fuck if your business fails if I have no equity, so that time off if precious to me, as the employee.
They also agreed to time off. You should have allowed it and gotten replacements
And they say there is no more slavery in whereever that embarrassment lives
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If you use an out of office request like a mandate, just be ready to be fired. No surprises, no power trips. If you wager your time with someone who is literally a broker of your time + (Labor), be ready for them to call you on it. It’s their job.
Same (in a previous career) and a few even bothered to ask for their job back not realizing I was the one who had to cover their shift
It was a low-paying company so I get it but the answer was still no
Congratulations on being part of why jobs suck so much
K
shakes head
I put on my robe and wizard hat