Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
A mod from World News@lemmy.world.
What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
I had my comment removed and received a one-day ban.
Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
Original post: Pope is in ‘critical’ condition after suffering ‘asthmatic respiratory crisis,’ Vatican says
Like many of us on Lemmy, I think the Catholic church is responsible for a lot of evil in the world, including the way they were/are directly involved in blocking access to contraception leading to the needless death of millions of Africans due to the AIDs epidemic, the endless cases of child sex abuse, along with the ongoing coverups, and honestly too many awful things to mention in detail here.
So I left a comment that said:
The Catholic church at this point has all the moral authority of a child sex cult.
Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
Amend community rule 4 to remove the reference to religion. WTF is it doing there as a rule in a news community in the first place? Is LW being run as a theocracy now?
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist,
anti-religious,or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
The mod in question is also a religious weirdo (see below during a discussion about Luigi), so perhaps that is why they have the rule in place. But if that community not going to accept fair criticism of religion then it isn’t a serious news community imo.
I fully acknowledge it wasn’t a long ban and the rule was in place, so it was perhaps a BPR or YDI in that sense. But the rule shouldn’t be there in the first place. How on earth is it justified? And looking at the other votes and comments on that post, it’s clear that the the vast majority of folks hate the Catholics church as much as I do. So why is this mod running defence for the famously morally bankrupt Catholic church in a world news community?
A removed comment and a temp ban. A very short temp ban.
That’s well within reasonable actions for any mod.
They point to rule 6 in the removal log, which is weird since rule 6 wasn’t broken.
But the correct rule, rule 4 was there. You broke it. There’s no power tripping when the action taken is reasonable and in scale with the offense. It was
See, it doesn’t matter whether or not what you said is true, whether or not you agree with an established rule, or even whether anyone here agrees or not. What matters is the mod action based on its own merits.
If you want an established rule changed, you go about trying before breaking the rule. That’s just common decency in a forum. Did you contact the mods before breaking the rule and get some kind of response that would merit breaking the rule in protest? That might shift things back to PTB if they didn’t handle it well, but if you make a protest comment, in not sure why you would expect anything other than bare minimum mod actions.
Sorry, I really want to call PTB bedded because fuck religious edifices that are like a cancer to society, the Catholic church in particular. But me agreeing with your opinion doesn’t make their choice of action regarding an established and easy to find rule out of line, it just doesn’t
Tbh, anyone posting here about a 1 day ban would likely get the same answer, because that’s a cool down ban. It’s a way to give a user a chance to chill out and not stir drama and merit a permaban. One day bans simply aren’t power tripping, it’s surgical use of mod authority, it’s judicious and careful.
I’m not protesting the ban, which was I suppose reasonable as you have described, though a simple removal would have been appropriate imo. I’m protesting the rule. I think I was fairly clear about that in the original post. I’ve commented elsewhere in this post about why I find this rule highly problematic, so I won’t repeat it all again here, but the attitude that it’s ok to protect religion institutions from fair criticism in the name of civility is what leads to church abuses in the first place.
Dude, have you ever tried speaking to LW mods about why their rules are stupid? The only thing they ever respond to is user protests because they dont like how the majority of their own users think.
Well, if you’re on PTB and aren’t actually asking about what the C/ is really for, maybe elsewhere.
As far as LW mods go, don’t talk to them. Find an instance, start a C/, and run it how you want.
That’s the answer. Decentralize, make better options, then lw doesn’t matter as much.
But going into any forum, be it on lemmy, on reddit, some website, whatever, and expecting then to change for you just isn’t realistic. But you don’t just ignore rules like you’re entitled to do whatever you want without consequences. If you don’t like the rules, fine, talk to the mods or go somewhere else. It really is that simple
I would amend this: I don’t think LW mods respond to anything in substantive ways. They will occasionally reverse themselves on a really objectively boneheaded decision, but most of the time it’s just a big hue and cry, and no particular resolution other than “You get what you get, and you don’t get upset.” Most of the things that people feel most strongly about, banning UniversalMonk being the most glaring example, they simply tell the community to get fucked. You are absolutely correct that they simply don’t like how the users want things to be, and don’t give a fuck that they are so far in the minority about it. As far as I can tell.
I think they are imitating from Reddit the paradigm that they have a monopoly on what’s going on, but Lemmy doesn’t work that way.
Lemmy.world definitely does have some fine communities and I am subscribed to many of them. Whatever is going on in the little clique of mods that runs !news, !politics, !world and friends, though, is just best avoided, rather than making any kind of attempt to fix it.
There you go. Every one of these is a far more pleasant experience than the LW subs. !news@lemmy.world is still tolerable to me, but the other ones are literally so overrun with hostile irrational people and bad moderation that I get for-real disoriented when I go into one of the comments sections and start to see what people are saying and how they interact with each other.
Edit: I wondered if I was being fair. I looked for a story from the front page of !world@lemmy.world at random, and picked this one: https://lemmy.world/post/25964593, “Trump envoy can’t name a single concession Russia will make in peace deal”
Second top-level comment, by the default sorting, as of the time of this writing:
Not only is that not what I want to read about the Ukraine negotiations, it’s not even an effective effort to mount propaganda. No one will read that and somehow think “You know what, that’s true, Trump kind of is doing better, at least he’s trying.” It literally has no purpose whatsoever other than to annoy and inflame. It’s just a little turd sitting there in the comments section, stinking up the place.
Is it the lemmy.world moderators’ fault that it is there? Certainly not. Are they putting monumental amounts of effort into making sure that various cockamamie goals and restrictions are put into place into what people can and can’t post in the comments section, while doing nothing at all about little turds like that which I will have to step in constantly if I decide to navigate the comments? Yes. Yes, they are.
im not like that at all
That’s just what a power tripping mod would say.
I cannot decide if you are a troll or a biting satire. Maybe the real trolling was the friends we made along the way.
you left me no choice