transGENIC - meaning they were able to modify cells in mice to more resemble human to be able to develop new medications that were difficult to develop, but I guess anything that has word “trans” is woke. The transportation secretary should be on a lookout.
I’m kind of torn on this one. I’ve seen the “transgenic” explanation in several other places, and as I normally do, my initial reaction was “Ha ha, stupid Trump.” (And also a deep underlying sadness that doesn’t ever really go away)
But I clicked the link on this post. They listed the grants referenced in their $8 million total. One did mention transgenic mice, though others could use transgenic mice and not specifically mention it. But if you click through to the grant proposals (which I assume DOGE did not write), every entry does indeed involve research on the effects of gender-affirming medication, even the one that mentions transgenic mice. To be clear, the other claim from media reports is also true - that these are grants for cancer and HIV research. But specifically, for things like the interaction between HIV vaccines and gender affirming meds.
To make my position clear, I support these studies. I think it’s important to study how asthma and cancer medications may affect the trans population differently than those not on gender-affirming meds. And you never know what additional discoveries will be made along the way. But I think that the response that MAGA got confused about transgender vs transgenic is disingenuous at best, if the information from this link is true (who knows if the 8 mill is the full contract or remaining values, etc).
I think diversity, equity, and inclusion are exactly what we need, and historically, a lot of harm has been caused by treating white male as default in medical studies. It is a truly terrible thing that they are canceling studies like these. But I think we need to recognize that when they say things like, Biden spent 8 million dollars trying to make mice transgender, what we’re dealing with is bait. They want us fighting over whether or not we made mice transgender. The point here is that this is yet another example of this Federal government usurping the power of the purse without being checked. They will always try to use small lies to hide the Big Lie.
Testosterone creams and pills would be gender affirming medications. It’s probably important to know how those medications are going to react with other medications and conditions. 9 Mil for a study is a drop in the bucket.
Doge is chasing fragments of pennies, at a time where there are glaringly obvious actual loopholes and waste in the government.
I agree. I saw a point brought up elsewhere that the asthma study included research on whether there is a difference with asthma rate before and after MTF participants took estrogen. The reasoning being that the prevalence of asthma among females compared to males tends to double by the end of puberty, so having trans participants in the study allows them to isolate the effects of estrogen in an ethical way. Very cool happenstance.
But no, the point here was not whether the science is good or bad, as you and I both full well know. The point was to Ctrl+F “transgender” in government-funded study abstracts and cancel all of them you can find so you can tell your base you’re hurting the people they wanted you to hurt. While you rob the nation blind with the other hand. MAGA doesn’t care that the research might have helped them. They don’t care that 9 million bucks is only a drop in the bucket. They have centered their lives around how important it is to win. All they care about is that they feel like they’re winning.
… transgenic mice to test whether male-level androgens … are necessary and/or sufficient for androgen inhibition of in vivo LH pulse parameters
They used the transgenic mice to test if hrt works. And the others have nothing to do with transgenic mice, most are explicitly about hrt and one is testing if asthma differences in sex is actually caused by hormones.
Thanks for the hint. Also CNN added context to their article.
The morning after Trump’s speech, the White House provided a list of $8.3 million in federal grants to health studies that involve mice receiving treatments that can be used in gender-affirming health care. The White House list made clear what Trump, in the speech, did not: The studies were meant to figure out how these treatments might affect the health of humans who take them, not for the purpose of making mice transgender.
Oh my god, I looked at the Rolling Stone article and this is the real explanation? I expect them to be stupid, but this is the basis for their talking point?
I am accurately using the word “literally,” when I say I literally can’t keep up with how stupid they are. I genuinely lowered my expectations as far as I could, and it wasn’t low enough.
Which is such an easy strategy to counter if the dems could just grow up. All you have to do is some outrageous act or make some outrageous claim and the zone will get more flooded pushing out the gop shit. It’s not a good way to do news but we have to stop trying to counter bullshit with plain reason. It’s not effective. We need to first get the bullshit out of the lime light then tackle it in smaller settings where facts can be agreed on. The “zone” is better suited for cat memes and what ever else, not political shit.
transGENIC - meaning they were able to modify cells in mice to more resemble human to be able to develop new medications that were difficult to develop, but I guess anything that has word “trans” is woke. The transportation secretary should be on a lookout.
More than meets the eye!
I’m kind of torn on this one. I’ve seen the “transgenic” explanation in several other places, and as I normally do, my initial reaction was “Ha ha, stupid Trump.” (And also a deep underlying sadness that doesn’t ever really go away)
But I clicked the link on this post. They listed the grants referenced in their $8 million total. One did mention transgenic mice, though others could use transgenic mice and not specifically mention it. But if you click through to the grant proposals (which I assume DOGE did not write), every entry does indeed involve research on the effects of gender-affirming medication, even the one that mentions transgenic mice. To be clear, the other claim from media reports is also true - that these are grants for cancer and HIV research. But specifically, for things like the interaction between HIV vaccines and gender affirming meds.
To make my position clear, I support these studies. I think it’s important to study how asthma and cancer medications may affect the trans population differently than those not on gender-affirming meds. And you never know what additional discoveries will be made along the way. But I think that the response that MAGA got confused about transgender vs transgenic is disingenuous at best, if the information from this link is true (who knows if the 8 mill is the full contract or remaining values, etc).
I think diversity, equity, and inclusion are exactly what we need, and historically, a lot of harm has been caused by treating white male as default in medical studies. It is a truly terrible thing that they are canceling studies like these. But I think we need to recognize that when they say things like, Biden spent 8 million dollars trying to make mice transgender, what we’re dealing with is bait. They want us fighting over whether or not we made mice transgender. The point here is that this is yet another example of this Federal government usurping the power of the purse without being checked. They will always try to use small lies to hide the Big Lie.
Gender affirming does not mean Trans.
Testosterone creams and pills would be gender affirming medications. It’s probably important to know how those medications are going to react with other medications and conditions. 9 Mil for a study is a drop in the bucket.
Doge is chasing fragments of pennies, at a time where there are glaringly obvious actual loopholes and waste in the government.
I agree. I saw a point brought up elsewhere that the asthma study included research on whether there is a difference with asthma rate before and after MTF participants took estrogen. The reasoning being that the prevalence of asthma among females compared to males tends to double by the end of puberty, so having trans participants in the study allows them to isolate the effects of estrogen in an ethical way. Very cool happenstance.
But no, the point here was not whether the science is good or bad, as you and I both full well know. The point was to Ctrl+F “transgender” in government-funded study abstracts and cancel all of them you can find so you can tell your base you’re hurting the people they wanted you to hurt. While you rob the nation blind with the other hand. MAGA doesn’t care that the research might have helped them. They don’t care that 9 million bucks is only a drop in the bucket. They have centered their lives around how important it is to win. All they care about is that they feel like they’re winning.
They used the transgenic mice to test if hrt works. And the others have nothing to do with transgenic mice, most are explicitly about hrt and one is testing if asthma differences in sex is actually caused by hormones.
Thanks for the hint. Also CNN added context to their article.
Oh my god, I looked at the Rolling Stone article and this is the real explanation? I expect them to be stupid, but this is the basis for their talking point?
I am accurately using the word “literally,” when I say I literally can’t keep up with how stupid they are. I genuinely lowered my expectations as far as I could, and it wasn’t low enough.
It’s literally their strategy to ‘flood the zone’
Which is such an easy strategy to counter if the dems could just grow up. All you have to do is some outrageous act or make some outrageous claim and the zone will get more flooded pushing out the gop shit. It’s not a good way to do news but we have to stop trying to counter bullshit with plain reason. It’s not effective. We need to first get the bullshit out of the lime light then tackle it in smaller settings where facts can be agreed on. The “zone” is better suited for cat memes and what ever else, not political shit.
What will they publish when they wind out that the government transcribes speeches and so on?
Yeah, they want to make genes trans now. The woke are out of control!