The Lemmy Club is currently suffering from “The Nazi Bar” problem. All of their top communities are run by three right-wingers as illustrated below.

The Lemmy Club instance admin doesn’t seem to want to ban them, for the reasons mentioned below:

This vote is on whether or not we should defederate from this instance until they address their Nazi Bar problem.

Upvote = for defederation. Downvote = against defederation.

Edit: As others have mentioned, happy to treat this a only a temporary measure until the problem is resolved.

Edit 2: The Lemmy Club admin has said they will implement a rule against right wing communities, and has taken action on some problematic posts and users (see original comments below).

I’m willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to the admin here, as they have responded in good faith:

If you implement those changes then I’d be willing to withdraw the defederation proposal and consider the problem resolved.

  • Wobble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 days ago

    – edited to clarify the mob rule comment

    I really appreciate the discussion, this will be my wordy take.

    I am actively against needing to selectively ban individual communities. This may open up to a form of ‘policing’, or encouraging hunter-seekers and dogged flag raisers. It is lazy administration to ask another instance to moderate on your behalf, lets not go there.

    Defederation, whilst the nuclear option, could be seen as seeking some form of regime change or that spooky governance from a distance. If this appears more and more in need of attention, disproportionate to overall growth, we may need to have a different discussion. That said, it is the purpose and power of a federation.

    Are there any ways we can deduce if ‘actors’ are going out there and polluting other instances intentionally? Reddit bot farms come to mind. Can we see if other trusted instances feel the same?

    Finally, I would hope this doesnt become some sort of (likely well intended) mob rule as a consequence of the above. We must have clear rules on how and when, what tips the scales, as this could become a trigger happy habit.

    Maintaining a new community without prior experience may be tough, so supporting other instances might be all that is needed.

    Concerns must be communicated - with evidence - and shown how they go against our rules/conduct/ethos whatever. Seek clarification from the admins if any actions or steps will be taken. If nothing changes after a period of time then defederation is the way to go. A notice board of some sort communicating this publically with the what has been done taken above and hopefully see organic change in the future.

    Do it.