• archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
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        1 year ago

        See, this is exactly what I mean by “I understand them so little that they must be the opposition in disguise”

        If you tried at all, youd understand that they’re position on “modern day Russia and China” is based on the idea of critical support. They evaluate policy decisions against “does this bring the working class closer to solidarity or not”.

        I.e. on the Ukraine war, their position is basically “U.S. Involvement in any war is a net-negative to worker solidarity in the country of question”. None there support Russia’s invasion, but they think Americas involvement spells the end of any socialist coalition to begin with.

        But again, “I understand them so little they must be a part of the opposition”. They have a different (definitively leftist) understanding of the war than you do. Doesn’t make them right-wing.

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          They evaluate policy decisions against “does this bring the working class closer to solidarity or not”.

          When it comes to Russia bombing their cities and raping their women and children, is that positively or negatively influencing working class solidarity?

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            1 year ago

            Negatively.

            When it comes to supplying lethal aid to Ukraine to continue the war, though, they’d also say negatively.

            For the record I don’t agree, but that is their position and I understand it.

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              1 year ago

              Yeah, well when Hexbear hears that wives and daughters are being raped and says “giving Ukrainians weapons to help them defend their families from being raped is bad for worker solidarity”, it makes Hexbear look like a bunch of rape apologizists.

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                1 year ago

                I’m not sure why people are surprised that a group largely made up of ML leftists would have a flippant attitude toward geopolitical violence.

                My main point is, still, that accusing them of being “right wing” just because you don’t understand their ideological stance is dumb.

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                  1 year ago

                  Basically the only difference between ML and the alt-right is that the alt-right wants violence against “libtards”, and ML’s want violence against “shitlibs”, while being insufferably snobby about pretending to be morally superior because they didn’t use an abliest slur.

                  It’s like you just took a fascist and put them on a liberal’s moral high horse.

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                    Nah, I think what you mean is that’s the only relevant difference to you. Nevermind that MLs have a body of economic theory, if the most important detail about them is their willingness to use force then I think it’s fair to suggest your prevailing ideology isn’t socialism at all, it’s liberalism. Not that you can’t be socialist-leaning, but if the only difference you see between MLs and far-right conservatism is violence, then you seem blind to the thing that you have in common with them.