“Some of you may be willing to die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” but unironically

Edit: The user has since apologised https://hexbear.net/comment/3848285

      • KarlBarqs [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        36·
        1 year ago

        For apparently being a genocide, this war has had less civilian casualties in the nearly year and a half it’s been on than there were in the first week of the US invading Iraq.

        • nxdefiant@startrek.websiteEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          I’m just trying to understand all the conflicting stances that get bandied around. It’s a genocide, but genocide doesn’t matter, but it’s not a genocide because it hasn’t passed some death threshold? But it IS a genocide and it’s being done by Nazi Ukrainians against Ukrainians? Oh and Putin didn’t start the war, it was a false flag, but he’s continuing the war because he’s in on the false flag with the US, which started this as a proxy war, by convincing Putin to send Russians over the border to start the war, who were actually Ukraine Nazis.

          I’m still not sure what’s going on in here.

          • RollaD20 [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            20·
            1 year ago

            Different people have different perspectives about the conflict? Different discussions have different topics and histories to bring up depending on the context?

            Genocide obviously does matter (I’m not sure who you are insinuating says otherwise), the commenter was discussing how the concept of genocide has been watered down largely as a means to manufacture consent for western military operations. Some people claim that Ukraine was engaging in genocide against the russian minority esp. through violence (by far right military orgs) in the east of Ukraine and legislation that suppresses russian minorities.

            If you are confused you should ask some actual questions (or use the search function, find some of the effort posts). You will get genuine answers if you ask in good faith.

            • nxdefiant@startrek.websiteEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              How does one go about parsing perspectives from delusions in this community?

              Ukrain will eventually give up, that’s a perspective.

              Putin is participating in a joint false flag operation with the US., that is not a perspective.

              It’s highly confusing.

              • RollaD20 [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                16·
                1 year ago

                But as far as I can tell, you made up the false flag thing entirely because of an image that disappeared. At least that’s what I can only assume based on your other comments. No one made that claim (as far as I can see). Please link the comment of someone saying the war in Ukraine is a false flag.

                • nxdefiant@startrek.websiteEnglish
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  Apparently the user deleted the comment. In which case I’m actually glad because that seems like a very “removed from reality” take on the whole situation.

                  • RollaD20 [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    11·
                    1 year ago

                    Yeah, I’m not sure what that is on about. If it was actually someone commenting that the war was a false flag they’d probably end up getting roasted because I don’t really know what the mechanisms for that would be. It’s possible they were talking about the pipeline attack, which depending on how they define a false flag operation could make sense (I have not spent a lot of time looking into the pipeline stuff tbf).

          • RedDawn [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            19·
            1 year ago

            Yeah you’re clearly a bit confused, probably because you’re mixing things people here might say with ridiculous strawmen that you dreamed up and pulled out of your ass.

          • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
            12·
            1 year ago

            What the fuck are you talking about? You’re just making up people to get mad at. If you have any integrity you engage with the arguments presented to you rather than making shit up and strawmanning. Who that you are discussing with in this thread is claiming the war was started due to a false flag? You must be willfully misinterpreting @robinn2@hexbear.net if you could somehow get their response to you to mean that they think genocide doesn’t matter. What’s this about a death threshold? Are you willfully being obtuse about the point made with relating this war to that in Iraq?
            Why do you choose to be willfully obtuse? Why are you so focused on scoring points from some imagined audience rather than engaging with the argument presented to you? Are you this scared you might be misinformed?