• CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    Allied with Assad to bring unity and security to Syria and end this vicious war: 👍

    Remaining allies with the US post-2016 in a Faustian bargain that intensifies the conflict while paving the road to a Turkish/NATO genocide: 👎

    In the end Rojava made the right choice, so they’re cool in my book

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    Rojava literally occupied Syrian wheat fields with the US to starve Syrian cities

    The Kurds and their US ally hold the wheat as a trump card in ongoing negotiations.

    “Assad needs access to cereal crops in northeast Syria to prevent a bread crisis in the areas of western Syria that he controls,” Syria analyst Nicholas Heras said. “Wheat is a weapon of great power in this next phase of the Syrian conflict,” said Heras, and he added that the Kurds and their US ally “have a significant stockpile of this wheat weapon. It can be used to apply pressure on the (Syrian government), and on Russia, to force concessions in the UN-led diplomatic process.”

    https://theduran.com/the-us-is-using-wheat-as-a-weapon-of-war-in-syria/

    Whilst also ethnic cleansing non Kurds

    The non-Kurdish population is a mix of Syrian Arabs, Syrian Christians, Syrian Armenians and many of them have suffered under the Kurdish administration, which saw non-Kurds being ethnically cleansed, as they lost homes, shops, and farms at the hands of the SDF.(ibid)

    They then got ditched by the US immediately and fed into Turkeys meat grinder. As if no one has ever read even a tiny bit of history of what US does to its “allies” when it is balkanising and using divide and rule tactics to destroy countries it has geopolitical strategic interest in. So not only was allying with the Great Satan a fucking terrible idea it was counter-productive for them

    Unsurprisingly I’m not a fan. I remember talking to David Graeber about this on twitter and it was the most pathetic display of mental gymnastics I’ve ever seen. Like if you believe the Kurds had to ally with the Great Satan to create their Kurdish state that’s good and cool. But its then a bit rich if you shit on Actually Existing Socialist countries who had to build their nations under the conditions of opposition to US imperialism rather than as an ally to it.

    • ConstipationNation [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Rojava is very explicitly in favor of multiculturalism and equal rights for all ethnic groups within Syria. The claim that they’ve carried out ethnic cleansing is just propaganda. I think there are probably a lot of instances where the Kurds could’ve handled things in Arab majority areas better, but when you look at their actual policies it becomes clear that they are trying to get all ethnic groups involved with the Autonomous Administration project, they are not trying to create a Kurdish ethnostate.

      • SimMs [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        does arab and assyrian perspectives inform your opinion here? What you say is very fucking clearly against what is being charged by these groups. Whichever official propaganda line or paper policies the kurds carry is completely ridiculous to argue for. We have seen western-backed progressive kurds coast on top of, and ending with the oil profits from, invasions against ba’ath regimes in that region before. a lot of the reason you know what you think you know about kurdistan - west region is because the blood money that has been pumped into media platforms and military industry by their american allies. I wont have western dipshits on chapo discredit assyrians who were the victims of a kurdish-driven genocide hundred years ago when they say those patterns are surfacing again now. we have seen all of this before, it should be obvious, yall… There are feminists with guns fighting terrorists, okay, cool. For a site talking so much about the so called social wing of fascism its funny how this isnt applied to the anglokurdish postimperial enclaves that we keep seeing being built on the backs of brutalized arab states

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          It’s Going Down podcast interviewed an Assyrian living in Qamishlo, and he claims that the Syrian government stoked ethnic tensions in order to maintain social control and that the Rojava revolution has done a lot to break down ethnic divisions between people:

          https://itsgoingdown.org/this-is-america-92-an-anarchist-in-rojava-speaks/

          Your post also ignores the fact that the Kurds themselves have been victims of genocide, forced assimilation, etc.

          • SimMs [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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            ok bro thank you for linking me “this is america”. my post doesnt include a broader analysis on secterian hatred because the obvious line in this conflict is to uphold a pluralistic secular state like the one of syria, the one our friends the kurds have broken up under the wings of the west good job bro you found a mascot that underlines the fantasy you have perpetuated about this particular movement. break the glass world, the world is full of freedom struggles, the syrian kurdish one isnt a fairytale ascendant from the rest.

            https://www.joshualandis.com/blog/romancing-rojava-rhetoric-vs-reality/

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              Yes Baathist Syria is very pluralistic, that’s why they didn’t allow Syrian Kurds to hold full Syrian citizenship and pursed assimilationist policies against them. Again you’re just ignoring the Kurdish perspective, I’m starting to think you’re an Arab nationalist.

              Also read my other fucking posts in this thread, I never claimed that Rojava is a utopia.

              • SimMs [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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                what the fuck is this reply. you are being charged with rejecting the claims of assyrians that the kurdish-american alliance fosters an ethnonationalism that is causing ethnic cleansing on the one hand and on the other that you cant reconcile rojava as a liberation movement and simultaneously a product of oil-stealing imperialist aggression. So if we lift our gaze and pivot to OPs questions, it isnt a question about rojavas imperfections but wether or not it is fundamentally opposed to our values. It should be clear that we must oppose any attempts to divide syria or compromize its state firstly, then afterwards struggle for a transformation towards the left.

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                  You accused me of not listening to Assyrians, so I provided an example of an Assyrian who rejects the claim that the Kurds are ethnonationalist, and you automatically dismissed him as a “mascot”, whatever the fuck that means. That podcast is like an hour long so I’m 100% sure you didn’t even listen to it, despite the fact that Assyrian perspectives are supposedly so important to you.

                  Then you claim that the Syrian government is pluralistic, which is false because it denied that Syrian Kurds were legitimate citizens of Syria and tried to forcibly Arabize them.

                  You seem to think that Kurds in general are just lying Western puppets with no legitimate stake in the region, and you completely ignore the fact that they’ve been oppressed by the Baathist governments of Syria and Iraq and even accuse Iraqi Kurds of stealing oil despite the fact that they were gassed by Saddam, which is why I think you’re an Arab nationalist.

                  If it’s a question of whether or not Rojava conforms to leftist values, I think the answer is yes. They’re not perfect, they’re not the anarcho-communalist utopia some Western leftists think they are, but they’re committed to feminism, they’re committed to multiculturalism, and they’re committed to building a democratic system that provides for the poor and doesn’t just favor the capitalist class.

                  There are a lot of powers that want to see Rojava fail. Turkey wants to see Rojava fail. Syria wants to see Rojava fail. Russia wants to see Rojava fail. Western support for Rojava is tepid and I’m sure the US would love it if the PYD was replaced with the ENKS, which is the right-wing Kurdish opposition in Rojava. A lot of people on this site argue that we can’t believe everything negative we hear/read about Communist states because there is a lot of propaganda against them. I think the same thing applies to Rojava. There is a propaganda campaign against them coming from multiple fronts which is designed to make them look like tyrants and stoke ethnic division in the areas they control. Until I see strong, hard evidence to the contrary I’m inclined to believe that any accusations the Kurds are carrying out ethnic cleansing are either exaggerated, blown out of proportion or just outright false.

  • Mardoniush [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Rojava cool and based and critical support for AES, but the idea of an independent Kurdistan that the Turks would let survive was always non-viable.

    They should have cut a deal with Assad earlier.

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      I mean, Assad and the Syrian Ba’athists are violently anti-Semitic Nazi style fash and have been since forever.

      Fully in support of Syria not getting carpet bombed and all, but it’s entirely understandable the YPG didn’t run to them for aid except as a very last resort.