I keep seeing things about Ukrainian citizens being generally unhappy with Zelensky and their government. Hopefully the next government (which also hopefully comes into effect after the war ends) isn’t just an empty shell for NATO’s grubby mitts to control.
I think the best outcome of the war would be an incorporation of the Donbas into the Russian Federation (which they voted to do) and a regime change for Ukraine so they’ll either be contractually bound to being neutral in international politics, or lean towards BRICS. NATO’s going to try to turn Ukraine into a vassal state, and if that’s the outcome then i feel horrible for the Ukrainian proletariat.
Um…I don’t mean to be rude and i don’t like to assume everyone is keeping up to date with the whole Ukraine situation, but i think you’re still thinking in terms of the circumstances of the first few months of the conflict. The scenario you suggest with Ukraine giving up just the Donbass was an option until around late summer last year or so, but by now we’re way past that. Russia has already incorporated all of the Donbass and two more additional Oblasts. That’s a done deal, the referendums have been held, they’re written into the Russian constitution. The only question remaining is whether they will leave it at that or go even further. I would give the latter 70-30 odds, not because the Russians want to take more but because Ukraine and its NATO handlers will force their hand.
The only scenario in which the territorial losses remain limited to the four already annexed oblasts is if Ukraine were to recognize the reality that it has lost this war and needs to accept all of Russia’s non-negotiable demands, which are permanent neutrality, demilitarization, regime change and recognition of territorial realities. And they need to do this soon before the situation for them deteriorates even further and the terms that Russia imposes are even harsher. But barring some sort of black swan event like a military coup there is very little chance of that happening since the Nazi junta in Kiev is both delusional and desperate, and NATO has no motivation to end this either, so they will keep fighting just like the OG Nazis did, probably until they meet a similar end.
The only scenario in which the territorial losses remain limited to the four already annexed oblasts is if Ukraine were to recognize the reality that it has lost this war
How about the scenario in which Poland moves its military to annex liberate western Ukraine?
I am not sure Russia (and Belarus, who would view that as a very dangerous and threatening move and may even be the ones who will petition Russia to launch a joint operation to intervene to stop it) would allow that, but if they do then it will be because they have decided to do away with Ukraine altogether. And that may trigger some of the more fanatical Ukrainian nationalists to decide that they want to fight the Poles too if they perceive Poland to be moving toward annexation of the Banderite heartland. For all these reasons and more this is much too messy a proposition even for the insane Poles, so i put the odds of that scenario fairly low.
As a Ukrainian I’d ask you kindly to go fuck yourself and shove that Russian propaganda back up your ass. Russia is literally trying to commit a genocide and you’re here handwringing, utterly disgusting.
Projection. It’s not Russia that has passed anti-Ukrainian laws, it’s Ukraine that has passed anti-Russian laws.
And pro tip: adding “as a Ukrainian” doesn’t help bolster your argument even if true since there are Ukrainians/former Ukrainian citizens fighting on both sides of this civil war, and the people in Donetsk and Lugansk (who are allegedly part of Ukraine according to Kiev and the West and who have been bombed for the last nine years by the Kiev regime) can also say that the other side has been literally trying to commit a genocide against them.
However it is very unlikely that the claim that you are Ukrainian is true, unless you are one of the ones living outside of Ukraine (in which case you are getting your information second hand just like the rest of us so being Ukrainian gives you no additional credibility), since in Kiev controlled Ukraine you get picked up by the SBU for being on any site that is perceived as even remotely pro-Russian (which we are in fact not, we are actually more pro-Ukraine than all those who are cheering Ukraine on to continue down the self-destructive path it is currently on). Odds are that when someone leads with “as a Ukrainian” in an online argument that is just the liberal version of the beloved online cracker phrase “as a black man”.
I keep seeing things about Ukrainian citizens being generally unhappy with Zelensky and their government. Hopefully the next government (which also hopefully comes into effect after the war ends) isn’t just an empty shell for NATO’s grubby mitts to control.
I think the best outcome of the war would be an incorporation of the Donbas into the Russian Federation (which they voted to do) and a regime change for Ukraine so they’ll either be contractually bound to being neutral in international politics, or lean towards BRICS. NATO’s going to try to turn Ukraine into a vassal state, and if that’s the outcome then i feel horrible for the Ukrainian proletariat.
Um…I don’t mean to be rude and i don’t like to assume everyone is keeping up to date with the whole Ukraine situation, but i think you’re still thinking in terms of the circumstances of the first few months of the conflict. The scenario you suggest with Ukraine giving up just the Donbass was an option until around late summer last year or so, but by now we’re way past that. Russia has already incorporated all of the Donbass and two more additional Oblasts. That’s a done deal, the referendums have been held, they’re written into the Russian constitution. The only question remaining is whether they will leave it at that or go even further. I would give the latter 70-30 odds, not because the Russians want to take more but because Ukraine and its NATO handlers will force their hand.
The only scenario in which the territorial losses remain limited to the four already annexed oblasts is if Ukraine were to recognize the reality that it has lost this war and needs to accept all of Russia’s non-negotiable demands, which are permanent neutrality, demilitarization, regime change and recognition of territorial realities. And they need to do this soon before the situation for them deteriorates even further and the terms that Russia imposes are even harsher. But barring some sort of black swan event like a military coup there is very little chance of that happening since the Nazi junta in Kiev is both delusional and desperate, and NATO has no motivation to end this either, so they will keep fighting just like the OG Nazis did, probably until they meet a similar end.
Thank you for informing me.
How about the scenario in which Poland moves its military to
annexliberate western Ukraine?I am not sure Russia (and Belarus, who would view that as a very dangerous and threatening move and may even be the ones who will petition Russia to launch a joint operation to intervene to stop it) would allow that, but if they do then it will be because they have decided to do away with Ukraine altogether. And that may trigger some of the more fanatical Ukrainian nationalists to decide that they want to fight the Poles too if they perceive Poland to be moving toward annexation of the Banderite heartland. For all these reasons and more this is much too messy a proposition even for the insane Poles, so i put the odds of that scenario fairly low.
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probably true, but my mental health is generally better when I try to be optimistic.
When elections come in the US, funding will probably dry up for Ukraine. When that happens, Russia will probably do whatever they want.
As a Ukrainian I’d ask you kindly to go fuck yourself and shove that Russian propaganda back up your ass. Russia is literally trying to commit a genocide and you’re here handwringing, utterly disgusting.
Projection. It’s not Russia that has passed anti-Ukrainian laws, it’s Ukraine that has passed anti-Russian laws.
And pro tip: adding “as a Ukrainian” doesn’t help bolster your argument even if true since there are Ukrainians/former Ukrainian citizens fighting on both sides of this civil war, and the people in Donetsk and Lugansk (who are allegedly part of Ukraine according to Kiev and the West and who have been bombed for the last nine years by the Kiev regime) can also say that the other side has been literally trying to commit a genocide against them.
However it is very unlikely that the claim that you are Ukrainian is true, unless you are one of the ones living outside of Ukraine (in which case you are getting your information second hand just like the rest of us so being Ukrainian gives you no additional credibility), since in Kiev controlled Ukraine you get picked up by the SBU for being on any site that is perceived as even remotely pro-Russian (which we are in fact not, we are actually more pro-Ukraine than all those who are cheering Ukraine on to continue down the self-destructive path it is currently on). Odds are that when someone leads with “as a Ukrainian” in an online argument that is just the liberal version of the beloved online cracker phrase “as a black man”.
Shut the fuck up cracker Banderite.
Russia can’t be committing a genocide in Ukraine when they’re fighting against US mercenaries most of the time. Lib.
ah man I’m so sorry to hear that, could you mind explaining why your government was banning the russian language in schools?
I’m mad, you got me. I’m not sure about letting you have your idiosyncrasies now.
bahaha sorry for the friendly fire
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