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  • sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml
    61·
    2 个月前

    GG wp it’s over we fucking lost

    Liberal axis in Iran has gobbled up power. Iran will liberalize when Khamenei is replaced. FUCK

    • ICBM@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      8·
      2 个月前

      From what we’ve been seeing here, it seems more to have solidified support for Khamenei and the IRGC. Trust in the west and western liberalism seems like it would have hit rock bottom.

      I don’t know much about Iranian politics, but Jalili did seem preferable to me in the last election because of the more defensive stance he had to the US. From what I was watching, Pezeshkian didn’t seem to play much of a role. Araghchi felt like he was running the show a lot more than anyone else. I don’t know much about his politics; does not seem like he has any trust in western institutions at this point.

      • sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml
        8·
        2 个月前

        No actually. Liberals have gotten power and the people are angry at the government because they consider this a total capitulation: Iranians genuinely wanted to raze Israel to the ground and what did we get? Bombed to shit and Israel is still there

        The IRGC power axis has waned significantly, Khamenei is the last ounce of hardliner stance and when he is dead or replaced, liberal reforms start pouring in

        I am gazing at USSR 1991 levels of fuckening in my country and I don’t like it

        • ICBM@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          7·
          2 个月前

          Fuck. That’s bleak. Not sure if it’s a good time or a bad time to demand resignations and shake up government. Shitrael will surely take advantage of it either way.

              • sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml
                4·
                2 个月前

                These people are from the Rafsanjani school of liberal economics, in other words some of the most corrupt, ghoulish, insane libs. Bunch of “Chicago school” fucks.

                They don’t believe in social conservatism like a lot of hardline libs in the west, they are full-on Javier Milei pilled in economics and kind of French pilled in terms of social issues. And I shit you not they actually have quite a bit of support for their “social liberalism” line.

                They have been eroding public institutions for a LONG time now, gradually destroying them and then privatizing them ( I think it was either Khatami or mamooty who really pushed privatization as even a concept ) then getting rid of all the employee amenities and such.

                They are also huge lovers of selling off government assets to NatBourg wholesale, who are usually ( not suspiciously at all ) their relatives or people in their circle.

                Another thing they have a hard on for is destroying Iranian social safety nets: They WILL destroy the national infrastructure plans, the national insurance, the national healthcare etc. the MOMENT they get the power.

                In fact, through their network of corrupt financial institutions and private banks which they managed to instate after winning the power struggle in the early days they have already amassed massive wealth and power especially in the infrastructure sector.

                And even this is not enough. They will not stop until they create a truly 1991 USSR scary hyper liberal privatized society of slaves working for them.

                AND WE VOTED THESE FUCKS INTO OFFICE, JUST END ME RIGHT NOW FFS

                • rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml
                  3·
                  2 个月前

                  Well, that sounds bad but I am confident that you as well as the Iranian people will not let that happen.

                  You, Iranians, are strong people and plenty of the world trust that you will all create a better path than this neoliberal one which is the worst path of all(a path well known to plenty of us in the global south). You all know how to defeat these neoliberals and I trust that you will defeat them again. The real power is not the money but the masses that are now emboldened by anti-imperialist sentiment.

                  Wish you the best. Cheers from Mexico.

      • sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml
        6·
        2 个月前

        Basically, IRGC is done, the hardliners are dead or irrelevant, and the liberal axis (rafsanjani school of “fuck the poor and fuck you” followers) have gobbled up the power (Zarif, Pezeshkian, Araqchi, etc.)

        So now when Khamenei is replaced they’re just going to liberalize and sell the country off like the good natbourg they are

    • darkernations@lemmygrad.ml
      5·
      2 个月前

      Damn that’s fucking bleak. Are they at least looking east or are they looking to be Honorary “Aryans” (ie I realise the irony of using that term to symbolise white supremacism to an Iranian)? Is there any chance that they may adopt anti-western-hegemony despite their bourgoisie sensiblities, even from a national self preservation point of view?

      • sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml
        2·
        2 个月前

        I don’t think so. Our libs really like to make deals with the west. And let’s be honest, our deals with the east are less than ideal anyways. We can’t even sign good deals with China if the sanctions stay, so we have to somehow get rid of sanctions anyway

        • darkernations@lemmygrad.ml
          6·
          2 个月前

          What’s stopping the state from “embracing” the sanctions Russia-style and going full throttle east? These western appeasing libs? If they are coming to power because of concerns with lack of geopolitical assertiveness from former government then wouldn’t they lose that power if they renege? Or are these “western” bourgoisie in Iran just that powerful? Are there competing factions of bourgoisie?

          • sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml
            5·
            2 个月前

            Chinese deals with Iran are all kinds of fucked; there is a lot of middle men and back channels and shell companies and banks etc… We are dealing with China even now but anything serious would require, either:

            A) China goes full “fuck your sanctions” to the west, which would put the west in a really bad position and legally cut off many companies from the western market, triggering a response

            B) Iran gets rid of sanctions and starts dealing without all the shadow banking bullshit

            Russia is new to the game, we’ve been doing this shadow network shit for a long time. I think the only country with whom we can actually deal (straightforwardly) is the DPRK who has been our true ally on more than one occasion

        • rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml
          5·
          2 个月前

          Sanctions don’t matter anymore if Iran strengthen relations with BRICs countries. This is the strategy that Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Burkina Faso and the DPRK have taken and it has proven successful.

          With this in mind, deals with the east are very much desirable compared to deals with the demons in the west.

          • sudo_halt@lemmygrad.ml
            4·
            2 个月前

            Depends on how BRICS+ deals with sanctions and how the libs respond, the libs have always preferred dealing with the west.

            • rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml
              3·
              2 个月前

              It depends. Russian libs that preferred the West were all shunned when SMO started and there are other similar examples(Mexican libs also are forced to seek diversification).

              For me, I see that Iran has a great opportunity to create a new and stronger faction which is the pro BRICS. BRICS+ knows how to deal with sanctions and there is a lot of proof of that. We all have to keep pushing for a new world that we dream about in all of our hearts. The fight lives on.