• Hohsia [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    22·
    10 months ago

    Asking a communist for their vote in a liberal election has the same amount of efficacy as asking a child to write a letter to Santa

    • Smeagolicious [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      65·
      10 months ago

      limmy-what Liberals are not our allies and have historically proven ready and willing to jump to violent fascistic repression of any popular socialist movement. That includes the liberals who have appeared to be well meaning progressives. We can hope to educate and attract people away from liberalism, but any alliance is doomed from the start. Anarchists, Leninists, Maoists, any tendency of leftist should recognize this. Hell, opposition to liberals should unify them all at least temporarily!

      • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        37·
        10 months ago

        opposition to liberals should unify them all at least temporarily!

        Yeah this is the stage we are at and the page we should all be on so to speak.

        • silent_water [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          32·
          10 months ago

          they’re not very willing to look past electoralism to any other kind of politics, so they’re neither useful allies nor particularly relevant to any projects I care about?

        • Smeagolicious [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          26·
          10 months ago

          I don’t have particular issue with them, just no faith lol. Rather I think the DSA in its membership spectrum from straight up lib, to socdem (lib), to some genuine commited leftists, can do good things on a more localized level.

          However, I don’t believe most anyone in the right wing of the DSA will have our (committed anticapitalist leftists) backs when shit hits the fan. When it comes down to supporting the vulnerable, and those who actually work to protect and advocate for them, against the violent forces of capitalist repression? I don’t see a lot of radlibs that gather under the very broad DSA umbrella sticking with professed convictions when they’re tested. So many of these are the people who prioritized tone policing and decried property damage during the George Floyd uprisings. I have little faith in them.

          The DSA is certainly a far sight better than most any major party or bloc in American politics, but that’s a pretty pathetically low bar to clear. Mostly, I just don’t think of them at all tho lol

          • Nagarjuna [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            2·
            10 months ago

            That’s fair, I don’t see a lot of that in my chapter, but it’s majority Marxist, so the right wing has to be better behaved. I forget that national leadership includes a cop and my idea of what “right wing” means is deeply skewed.

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      39·
      10 months ago

      lmao I would hope there was a politics of resentment between socialists and fascists, liberals and anti-communtist “progressives”

      Otherwise wtf is the point of our politics

        • boredtortoise@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          10 months ago

          Yeah. They think they can be capitalists, conservatives and libs at the same time like wtf

          One should either want people to be liberated from capitalist hierarchies or conserve them, there’s no both

          Remember comrades, don’t trust and repeat the capitalist redefining of words. North Americans might have a hard time learning out of the programming.

          Using their apologia language just serves them and none sustain critical evaluation.

          “Neoliberal” = pure capitalist conservatism. “Economic liberalism/free markets” same bullshit. All trying to maintain the status quo anti-liberal hierarchy.

          Edit: sorry for hurting capitalist feelings that are in some of the comments

          • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            36·
            10 months ago

            Liberalism is the ideology that justifies the continued existence of capitalism, and in that ideology there are social factions with tactical disagreements about how best to manage and justify capitalism, this usually manifests as a cultural divide among conservative liberals and social liberals, but both of them are subsumed by the current mass iteration of liberalism we call neoliberalism

          • TreadOnMe [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            32·
            10 months ago

            Liberals are capitalists because they believe in the ‘freedom’ of markets. Liberalism does not refer to freedom from hierarchy, it refers to freedom from feudalism and feudal dues, specifically. The freedom of private property.

          • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            23·
            10 months ago

            What is your definition of liberal?

            Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism and encompasses all liberal tendencies - conservatives, social liberals, dem socs, libertarians etc. If you’re defining it in a unique way you should let us know so we can understand what you mean

      • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        9·
        10 months ago

        “Both parties are anti-lib” in truth means that they don’t function the way that your fairy tales tell you they should, so you pretend they’re not Liberal.

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          9·
          10 months ago

          This person is pretty strange. They consider themselves some sort of anarchist i think, but really care about the word liberal and insist that everyone else in the world but them is using it wrong because… shrug-outta-hecks

          • quarrk [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            3·
            10 months ago

            They literally just invented a meaning of their own: Liberal = liberation from capitalist hierarchy

            which is hilariously wrong, historically speaking

            • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              3·
              10 months ago

              Yeah, since liberals invented the capitalist hierarchy. But somehow using words correctly is “capitalist apologia language” and the definition they invented is the one true leftist way of speaking

  • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    17·
    10 months ago

    Ignoring the betrayals, liberals don’t even offer me anything. First, they act as if socialists have major influence on the US’ destiny every time they fail. Like mother fucker, most of the country doesn’t vote. Are you telling me we’re all secretly communists?

    They refuse to acknowledge that even if I compromised and voted for Hilary Clinton, that motherfucker would’ve still lost because the system allows like 5 random people to give the victory to someone else even if they’re unpopular by millions of votes.

    Then, when they do get in office, they continue to fund the war machine, refuse to mobilize when the overturning of Roe was leaked, and diddled on their phones while everything turn to shit. They keep allowing conservatives to monopolize every conversation and tragedy and crisis. They choose the worse motherfuckers to be appointed to positions. No one can form a coherent sentence. Absolute morons.