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Hell yes, fuck fandom they’ve ruined so many of the best wikis
If you have to access wikis from fandom, you can use breezewiki
ooh, they even have an extension to automatically redirect as well, very nice
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Yes!!! Everyone should abandon that ad-riddled shithole
Surprised anyone can use the internet without uBlock Origin tbh
I just use a different adblock ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah still, the point is how tf do people tolerate the Internet with all the ads.
You should really use ublock
Why? Mine works just fine, and diversity is strength against countermeasures.
Eh you do you
Ublock origin, not ublock.
Ublock origin is the best adblocker.
ublock is a different thing thats no bueno
Yea I meant origin
I only just switched over to firefox + UBO on my phone, and it’s so much better. I had just assumed that the beautiful ad-free experience I get on my PC wasn’t available on phone, but by jove it is.
U matrix is also a great option, it takes original to the max and lets you automatically allow list or deny list specific domains and their components (html, css, JavaScript, cookies, frames, and xhr(i think that was the last option not sure)
It also lets you block mixed content, referrer information and a lot more. It’s been incredibly helpful
I used a browser on someone else’s computer recently and was shocked at all the advertisements on sites I frequent. It really is a game-changer.
uBlock won’t save you in steam overlay browser.
For that there’s other ways buy honestly I almost never use it
Setup a Pihole and never face this issue again. Blocks ads at dns level which doesn’t get everything but gets the majority of ads.
All you need to do is make sure to keep the lil guy updated. You can even view your traffic and see which ads aren’t getting caught and manually add those domains.
Lastly, you play minecraft in steam? What is wrong with you 😝
A big win for the Minecraft community. The wiki experience had gone seriously downhill after Fandom took over.
Hell yeah, fandom needs to be abandoned its an ad riddled shithole
Fandom is an ad-ridden shithole
I have been using it a lot lately, I did not know about that thanks to Firefox + Ublock
Yeah as another Firefox + Ublock Origin user, I came in here to say I’ve noticed a lot of game wikis announcing they’re migrating off of Fandom, and I’m curious as to why. I’m OoTL.
There’s a chrome extension that will redirect all your fandom traffic to breeze wiki or alternative wikis.
As a former chrome user who Migrated to firefox
Firefox is better than chrome
The whole internet is like this though
That’s why we use adblockers man
Is it that, or just the reverse?
Yeah, it’s a shit-ridden ad hole.
The Minecraft wiki used to be it’s own thing before moving to Fandom didn’t it? Either way, very happy about this
Yes, it was great back then. I really enjoyed using it until they switched over to Fandom. So glad they got rid of it again.
Yeah, they were previously hosted by Curse until Fandom bought out all the Curse wikis and transferred them to their ad-ridden pile of shit
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The Terraria wiki is hosted on wiki.gg, which the Minecraft wiki editors strongly considered (reading through the discussion, it seemed like a strong second choice behind Weird Gloop/RuneScape wiki). But wiki.gg really has a lot of the same problems as fandom, just to a lesser degree. Still has a fair amount of ads, still has wiki.gg branding on the website, and most importantly in the discussions I read, they wouldn’t be able to use a domain the Minecraft wiki owns (as in it wold have been at minecraft.wiki.gg rather than minecraft.wiki). The big problem with not having their own domain is that if things ever go south with wiki.gg (for example if they get bought by Fandom), they would be starting from scratch as far as SEO/discoverability goes, same as they are now.
Weird Gloop (the host for the RuneScape wikis) offered fewer ads, a comparable hosting infrastructure, and the ability to use their own domain, as well as a lot of experience forking from fandom successfully, which sounds like it was really valuable to them.
It should be noted that Weird Gloop purchased the
minecraft.wikidomain, leading me to assume that they currently claim ownership of it.I hope the wiki team will be able to keep the domain of things really do go south with Weird Gloop.
That’s surprising given the discussions I read, but you’re right, a quick WHOIS search shows Weird Gloop as the owner. I’m not quite sure why that is.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who remembers. I wasn’t very thrilled about the change…
Good.
It’s reached the point (or had a couple of years ago, which was the last time I went to a wiki hosted there) that it’s virtually impossible to even read an entry, since there are so many ads that the actual text of the article spends more time off the screen than on it.
IMO the worst part is the ads that auto-scroll you to the top of the page after you’ve spent two minutes reading
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It’s embarrassing that huge and ongoing successful games can’t shell out to host official wikis, but instead leave it to the community to either pay out or pocket (not happening) or pick whichever crappy provider they can find willing to host it for ads.
A good wiki needs to have mosly text, a modest amount of pictures, no self-hosted video, and low computing needs. While an unpleasant expense for a private individual, it doesn’t cost a company much to host.
While I agree that it’s rather sad for developer not hosting their Wiki, I really never had any problem with the old hoster of the Minecraft Wiki. I certainly didn’t perceive it as a “crappy provider”. It did exactly what it needed to and there weren’t any intrusive adds or at least not to my attention. But maybe I’m just really good at ignoring adds myself.
Edit: Or mabye my add blocker did help, hard to tell since I haven’t seen the internet without it since years now.
Yeah Bulbapedia is fan-run and does exactly what it needs imo.
Ya, not all are the level of Fandom. The old one for Minecraft was somewhat tolerable without an ad-blocker. I don’t really feel it is fair to blame the providers either - even Fandom. They are stepping up to offer something nobody else feels like paying for.
While fandom sucks (although I think it used to be fine before the redesign many years ago) and game companies/publishers are cheap, I still think 3rd party wikis is going to better, even shitty ones like fandom, because guess what?
Just like every other ‘live service’ (or even just old games!?! if you’re Ubisoft) everything will be fine and dandy until one day some suit decides to shut down the wiki to cut down on costs and all that information and community work gets flushed down the toilet.
With that said, instead of them making some wiki website, it’s nice when games lets you look up information in the game itself, without having to open the web browser and going to some wiki.
Maybe we needed a “Show wiki page for this item/quest/skill/monster” prompt, like Melvor Idle does (my recent example).
Arenanet provides a Wiki for Guild Wars 1 and 2. They are both amazing and the second one even integrates into GW2. When GW1 came out it started as a community service but Arenanet took it in officially.
Honestly, without the wiki and the massive work by the community I’d be very lost in GW2.
A good wiki needs to have mosly text, a modest amount of pictures, no self-hosted video, and low computing needs.
Huh. That sounds kind of like Lemmy, wonder if someone will try to modify the software to support a wiki.
Looking it up, there is WikiWikiWeb implements Federated Wiki, which Wikipedia describes its primary features as:
adds forking features found in source control systems and other software development tools to wikis. […]The software allows its users to fork wiki pages, maintaining their own copies. Federation supports what Cunningham has described as “a chorus of voices” where users share content but maintain their individual perspectives. This approach contrasts with the tendency of centralized wikis such as Wikipedia to function as consensus engines.
Gonna look more into Federated Wiki today, because this sounds super interesting to me c:
I don’t think a built-in wiki should be a priority for Lemmy. The sysadmin of an
instance.cominstance can host a separate web app as a standalone wiki atwiki.instance.com.For example, you could host an mdbook at this subdomain to serve as a docs-style wiki.
Even Reddit has a built-in wiki system. Why not Lemmy too?
Or, you know, make sure the game actually has all the information in it you need to play it.
This is the best take on this whole thread imo
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Going to a site with a terrible autoplay pseudo-podcast that refreshes on every new page is basically the MySpace experience. It’s incredibly difficult, by the way, for small projects to have their wikis deleted and wiki site staff are less than helpful. Always nice for a defunct wiki to rise to the top of search results when the project website hosts quite a bit more identically formatted information but without random penis based articles. I love that.
Can you tell me more about these penis based articles?
Penis magic became quite varied and popular in the forgotten realms for a time.
This is great news. The old site really went to shit the last few years, especially on mobile, with ads using >50% of the screen.
The response regarding the move from the people I know who manage the Wiki has been positive. Happy to hear that.
All Discord groups which manage Minecraft servers should announce this change. I manage a small one myself and did it just a day back.
Fandom has since become one of my least favorite websites, simply because of the ads, and the “Honest Trailers” videos that automatically show up (and follow you) regardless of the topic of the page you’re on, not to mention that their mobile site is pure garbage. It’s just pure garbage, alright.
And I’m a person who browses Logopedia regularly, which is still hosted on Fandom. Boo. Thank goodness the Minecraft Wiki left that.
May I ask how this website is any different from every other website that crams ads down your throat?
I mean for ffs, twitch bakes them into the streams now. YouTubers do their own ads in their videos. Don’t even get me started on social media sites.
If Twitter wasn’t a cesspool you better believe Elon would’ve packed that mother fucker to the brim with ads.
Fandom isn’t a social media platform. All these others are (at least for the most part).
I’m not arguing that tho. Im not arguing what makes random different from social media sites.
For example news sites are also littered with ads. Porn sites, littered with ads. Blog sites, littered with ads. Google searches even come up with search result ads.
It’s everywhere man, I’m just arguing that fandom is no worse than anywhere else.
But yes, switching to respectful amounts of ads or none at all if possible is preferable to what fandom is right now.
My original comment is just pointing out that I don’t really think anyone actually cares that much about this stuff, and that I personally dont like all these negative echo chambers everywhere.
Everyone’s obviously valid in venting and what not, but I figured I’d point out my viewpoint too while we’re at it 🤷🏻♂️
And there was much rejoicing
Mashallah
alhamdulillah brother
Inshallah all other sites will move off of fandom too
Amen 🤲🤲🤲
